Dubai package bombs.

[SnakeTongue]

Maybe Yemen doesn't exist. I've never seen it...

Seriously, sometimes the news is just the news.

You comment is like the mainstream news: distortion of the facts.

In no moment I said the news are all lies. I said the mainstream news do not have credibility to inform the general public about the original facts.

I contest you to present evidence that news about the events happening in the Yemen are accurate and not biased.

 

[SnakeTongue]

You are wise oh great one.

Please tell us what to think.

I think we all should keep being improving our critical thinking to survive in the illusionary world of the mainstream media.

 

[SnakeTongue]

This is not a very intelligent nor scientifically skeptical argument to make. Real skepticism involves evidence to proves ones point. Not simple, ignorant, blanket generalizations.

Who elected you the authority of "real skepticism"?

I am sorry if my critical thinking bother your state of mind entranced with the mainstream news media...

 

[richardm]

To answer a jest in all seriousness, inside information says, in hospital on life support.

Rolfe.

Sounds highly suspicious. Should we begin the extradition procedure?

 

[Rolfe]

Sounds highly suspicious. Should we begin the extradition procedure?

There have been misleading reports on that subject before, however this one is well sourced.

Rolfe.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You comment is like the mainstream news: distortion of the facts.

In no moment I said the news are all lies.

What you did say was: "It is all distortion of the original facts. News in ours days means deception". So not lies, exactly, but all distortion and deception. You describe it all as a deliberate attempt to mislead and deceive, but it's not all lies. Glad you cleared that up.

Some of us are grown up enough to realise that news sources are not all the same (otherwise they would all report the same way) all have their biases and some have a more blatant agenda than others. Also of course "the mainstream media" changes depending on where in the world you are.

If you have any "original facts" about this story which you think the media have missed or suppressed please do tell us.

 

[SnakeTongue]

What you did say was: "It is all distortion of the original facts. News in ours days means deception". So not lies, exactly, but all distortion and deception. You describe it all as a deliberate attempt to mislead and deceive, but it's not all lies. Glad you cleared that up.

Yes, it is like when you see an pebble inside of clear water: bigger than the original size.

Some of us are grown up enough to realise that news sources are not all the same (otherwise they would all report the same way) all have their biases and some have a more blatant agenda than others. Also of course "the mainstream media" changes depending on where in the world you are.

I am glad with that.

If you have any "original facts" about this story which you think the media have missed or suppressed please do tell us.

No, I do not have.

If I had, how much relevant would be for our human daily lives?

 

[Mark6]

absolutely. Of course they only need one time.

I never understood this "terrorists only need to succeed once" mindset. Suppose they do succeed, and bring down a plane? Does the world end? It happened quite a few times, yet life goes on. Eventually Al-Qaeda in Yemen, or somebody, will "succeed once". Life will go on.

 

[bozothedeathmachine]

I never understood this "terrorists only need to succeed once" mindset. Suppose they do succeed, and bring down a plane? Does the world end? It happened quite a few times, yet life goes on. Eventually Al-Qaeda in Yemen, or somebody, will "succeed once". Life will go on.

Perhaps he means they only need one time to throw things into complete chaos, which is somewhat true.

Despite my comments earlier in this thread, a cargo plane going down would have a big, and immediate, impact on commerce. And with the number of packages shipped on those planes, it would be so much easier to take those out as opposed to commercial airlines.

 

[Mark6]

Perhaps he means they only need one time to throw things into complete chaos, which is somewhat true.

Possibly he did mean that. But I heard that phrase many times in far less critical context, particularly from counterterrorism people. Such as some British CT official who said (re: Irish Republic Army) "We have to succeed every time. They only need to succeed once." Completely disregarding the fact that IRA had in fact "succeeded" many times, and UK continues just fine.

 

[bozothedeathmachine]

Possibly he did mean that. But I heard that phrase many times in far less critical context, particularly from counterterrorism people. Such as some British CT official who said (re: Irish Republic Army) "We have to succeed every time. They only need to succeed once." Completely disregarding the fact that IRA had in fact "succeeded" many times, and UK continues just fine.

True. Hell sometimes they don't even need to succeed. Two failures and now I fly shoeless and thirsty.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I just hope that, if there are more airline bombing attemps, the bombs are build by the same Al Qaeda "expert" that built the most recent four. What next, instructions attached to light the blue touch paper?

 

[casebro]

Wouldn't a Faraday Cage built in to aircraft prevent the use of cell phones as detonators? What would that take. for gigaherz?

Or some kind of senser in the ground transport system that would pick up any live electronics? The cell phone had to be turned on to receive an incoming call.

How about passing packages through something that would trigger cell phones to ring? Better a fire in the freight terminal than one in a jet over a city.

Plus, there had/has to be somebody to call the cell phone to trigger it. Who? Where?

Plus, there had/has to be somebody to call the cell phone to trigger it. Who? Where?

 

[patchbunny]

Wouldn't a Faraday Cage built in to aircraft prevent the use of cell phones as detonators? What would that take. for gigaherz?

Heck, make the cargo containers faraday cages. That would be simple enough, and not require retrofitting of planes. I would think you could just add a liner to existing containers.

 

[WildCat]

I just hope that, if there are more airline bombing attemps, the bombs are build by the same Al Qaeda "expert" that built the most recent four. What next, instructions attached to light the blue touch paper?

The last batch would have worked perfectly well had they not been discovered because an ex-al Qaeda member tipped of the Saudis.

 

[richardm]

Possibly he did mean that. But I heard that phrase many times in far less critical context, particularly from counterterrorism people. Such as some British CT official who said (re: Irish Republic Army) "We have to succeed every time. They only need to succeed once." Completely disregarding the fact that IRA had in fact "succeeded" many times, and UK continues just fine.

Well might it make more sense to phrase it as "We have to succeed every time otherwise people will be killed. They only need to succeed once and people will be killed".

I don't think it's supposed to convey the idea that if they succeed once then the whole gig is up. It's more an expression of the idea that on the whole we'd prefer it if people weren't killed.

 

[Nosi]

You comment is like the mainstream news: distortion of the facts.

In no moment I said the news are all lies. I said the mainstream news do not have credibility to inform the general public about the original facts.

I contest you to present evidence that news about the events happening in the Yemen are accurate and not biased.

The problem with the mainstream news (at least in the US) is it is pitched to the lowest common denominator in very short bursts of time, designed to cater to short attention spans and advertisers. It isn't called info-tainment lightly. Television and terrestrial FM-AM radio are largely dependent on advertisers plus corporate support.

Mainstream news caters to a consumer who's ability to decipher facts is questionable at best, nonexistent at worse.

Internet information sources suffer less from sponsor or advertising dependency, and Netezens for the most part have longer attention spans. Yet the sheer volume of data makes info-mining more difficult.

 

[bozothedeathmachine]

Wouldn't a Faraday Cage built in to aircraft prevent the use of cell phones as detonators? What would that take. for gigaherz?

Doesn't look like that would've helped in this case. These were old-fashion (or rather, new fashion) time bombs.

The communication cards had been removed from the cell phones attached to the bombs, meaning the phones could not receive calls, officials said, making it likely the terrorists intended the alarm or timer functions to detonate the bombs.

 

[WildCat]

Internet information sources suffer less from sponsor or advertising dependency, and Netezens for the most part have longer attention spans.

What are these "internet information sources" you speak of?

 

[BenBurch]

Doesn't look like that would've helped in this case. These were old-fashion (or rather, new fashion) time bombs.

Maybe. SIM cards removed would prevent getting ON a network, but the circuit could possibly detect it was IN a place where there was a compatible network. If the only place en-route where there was the right sort of network was Chicago, the timers could start on the ground, and be set to go off in the amount of time required to get to the Synagogues they were addressed to.