Dubai Address hotel fire

rwguinn said:
That's wonderful, and works extremely well, but only when you have water because huge buildings failed to collapse and sever the power and water supplies to your building...
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My point exactly. Had the towers not taken out WTC7s fire protection, it likely would have survived, defects and all.......;)
 
FalseFlag said:
The purpose of this thread is not to make conclusions of any kind,,,,,, Everyone involved in the 9/11 debate should be watching this and paying attention to everything. We can make conclusions later.
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Indeed.
This structure's exterior cladding caught fire. In the few places where this exterior fire broke through to the interior the existing fire protection systems plus active fire fighting efforts kept it from spreading inside. The very fact of it being an exterior fore allowed fire fighters to easily reach the points where it broke inside and probably preposition in anticipation of breaking in.
Unlike an interior fire, most of the heat output from this fire is being taken away from the structure by convection and radiation. In addition no equivalent to hot smoke and gasses flashover is even possible this eliminating the highest temp combustion that plagues an interior office/residence fire.

As for continuing the NYE celebrations and fireworks: CBC news reports 1million people were on hand for these celebrations. So, imagine the response in a crowd of 1million if the event they were there for in cancelled at the last moment. Better to go ahead than risk riots.

Also in the new report was video of the fire. With the building already well involved there is an explosion near the base of the building.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/address-hotel-new-year-1.3385963
OMG the comments section is full of 911woo
 
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Morning after. Building pretty unimpressed.

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Fire at night gets you reported for some big giant fire... cops come and see a tiny fire, some coals, and idiot neighbors who have no clue how eyes work at night... fire at night is impressive, fire at day, no clue how much bigger 911 WTC fires were than all the fires at night ... it is all relative; and 911 truth has banned Physics
 
FalseFlag said:
I have no idea where this post should go, so I started a new thread. Regardless of where it should go, this is relevant to the collapses of WTC 1, 2 and 7 because they are all steel-framed high-rise buildings.

So, right now the building is on fire. It appears the fire is spreading rapidly. It is dark, but the flames are highlighting the structure. Although the pictures are limited, it does not appear that any of the supporting structure is melting, sagging, or weakening. It does not look like there is any deformation of any kind.

Let's just see how long the fire lasts, what it takes to put it out, and what the building looks like after this is over.

Listen to eyewitness reports. Watch closely. Listen for the sounds of explosions. Observe everything.
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Why should we do all this?

I just hope no one is hurt in the fire tbh....
 
FalseFlag said:
OK, here are some questions. A steel-framed high-rise building has been on fire for two hours. The fire is massive, but confined to the exterior. What are we seeing? Two hours later, is there any sagging, melting, deformation, or collapse? Everyone should be asking those questions, regardless of what the answer is.

Have the firefighters pulled out of the building? If they think the building is going to collapse, why are they still planning on putting on a massive fireworks show? Wouldn't they want to get everyone out of the streets as far away from the building as possible? If they don't think the building will collapse, why do they think this? Is it because steel-framed high-rise buildings don't collapse from fire?
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Why should we ask questions about this fire? And why the hell do you try to compare this fire with any other fire?

Each fire is unique, each building is unique, so why would we watch this fire to compare it to what happend on 9/11? Are you truthers really this delusional, that you want to compare each building fire with what happened on 9/11?

Get a life, why don't you...
 
FalseFlag said:
I know all of this. They died fighting the fire. An attempt was made to insinuate that the fire is being fought in Dubai, but nothing was done on 9/11. That is obviously not true.
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No fire was fought on 9/11. Even the fire department knew right away that this was not a fire fighting event, but a rescue event.
 
I wonder how long it will take AE911truth to use this as so called proof, that 9/11 was an inside job.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The attached photo does not support what you are saying.
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Fair point. Firefighting was attempted on WTC7, but accounts from the day say that the water pressure was so low as a result of the water main rupture caused by the collapses of the Twin Towers that no effective firefighting was possible, so after WTC7 was known to be clear the FDNY pulled back, set up a collapse perimeter (because they, the people who have the relevant expertise and whose lives depend on it, didn't believe it impossible for steel framed structures to collapse from fire) and let WTC7 burn. One of the many ways, then, in which last night's situation was radically different.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Fair point. Firefighting was attempted on WTC7, but accounts from the day say that the water pressure was so low as a result of the water main rupture caused by the collapses of the Twin Towers that no effective firefighting was possible, so after WTC7 was known to be clear the FDNY pulled back, set up a collapse perimeter (because they, the people who have the relevant expertise and whose lives depend on it, didn't believe it impossible for steel framed structures to collapse from fire) and let WTC7 burn. One of the many ways, then, in which last night's situation was radically different.

Dave
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In case you weren't aware, there were three fire boats only 400 to 500 yards away in the Hudson River, with each capable of pumping about 19,000 gallons per minute, so the city water main break from the Twin Tower collapses doesn't really answer the question as to why firefighting was stopped on WTC 7.

WTC 7 also had three large Siamese fittings on three of its exterior walls at street level which could have been used to feed the sprinkler system without entering the building.

It sounds like the FDNY chiefs were told the building was going to collapse and that is why they pulled back.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
In case you weren't aware, there were three fire boats only 400 to 500 yards away in the Hudson River, with each capable of pumping about 19,000 gallons per minute, so the city water main break from the Twin Tower collapses doesn't really answer the question as to why firefighting was stopped on WTC 7.

WTC 7 also had three large Siamese fittings on three of its exterior walls at street level which could have been used to feed the sprinkler system without entering the building.

It sounds like the FDNY chiefs were told the building was going to collapse and that is why they pulled back.
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Hmm lets see. They lost a few 100 firefighter already that day. They were looking for surviving comrades and other survivors, but hey, lets pend resources on putting out a fire in a building with no one in it. I am glad you are not a fire chief.

You truly have no empathy whatsoever do you?
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
In case you weren't aware, there were three fire boats only 400 to 500 yards away in the Hudson River, with each capable of pumping about 19,000 gallons per minute, so the city water main break from the Twin Tower collapses doesn't really answer the question as to why firefighting was stopped on WTC 7.

WTC 7 also had three large Siamese fittings on three of its exterior walls at street level which could have been used to feed the sprinkler system without entering the building.

It sounds like the FDNY chiefs were told the building was going to collapse and that is why they pulled back.
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Are you suggesting that they should have run lines to the Hudson River to fight a fire in an empty building while they were still dealing with the aftermath of the twin towers and thousands dead therein?

That is absolutely ludicrous.
 
16.5 said:
Are you suggesting that they should have run lines to the Hudson River to fight a fire in an empty building while they were still dealing with the aftermath of the twin towers and thousands dead therein?

That is absolutely ludicrous.
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As long as he can save a building, it is all alright I guess.
 
And then truthers wonder why people have no respect for them. They claim to do this for the survivors. Yeh right. All they care about is trying to proof that it was an inside job, so they can feel good about themselves. They don't give a rats ass about the people involved. This thread also proves it. Falseflag only wants to know what happens to the building. These people are truly sickening.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
In case you weren't aware, there were three fire boats only 400 to 500 yards away in the Hudson River, with each capable of pumping about 19,000 gallons per minute, so the city water main break from the Twin Tower collapses doesn't really answer the question as to why firefighting was stopped on WTC 7.

WTC 7 also had three large Siamese fittings on three of its exterior walls at street level which could have been used to feed the sprinkler system without entering the building.
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Wasn't this whole idea thoroughly debunked years ago when JREF had a resident firefighter or two posting on the subject?
 
DGM said:
Why wouldn't the sprinklers have dealt with fires in the generator areas? Generator shut down and you only have fuel in the day tanks and lines.
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I've made this point to him before too, but he ignores it. Sounds like you've read the NIST report ( he hasn't / won't ).

Sounds like JSO has a pet theory - diesel fires and failure at floor 5 - and won't listen to nor even address the challenges he receives. Just plows on, ignoring relevant counterpoints.

Just like a troofer....
 
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