Drag Shows!!

[Skeptic Ginger]

...pretty firmly in the cisgendered heterosexual camp, and Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis in drag did not steer me away, nor did the machine gunning violence turn me into a mass murderer, nor were my poor raging hormones derailed by the ending, which I thought then and still think was just good and funny.

Are conservatives against violence in movies and video games because they are turning kids violent? I don't recall which side of the aisle makes that argument.

 

[ZiprHead]

Incidentally the owner of the venue that hosted the drag brunch said that parents were warned about the explicit content.

 

[bruto]

Are conservatives against violence in movies and video games because they are turning kids violent? I don't recall which side of the aisle makes that argument.

I don't think it matters who. Whether your head is full of right wing cement or left wing mush, it's still wrong. And if you think dramatic cross dressing will turn you into a deviant freak but don't think dramatic mass murder will turn you into a crook, then you're wrong and inconsistent at the same time, which is just wrong with a twist.

 

[WWBDD]

From the little I've seen of churches, they really are drag shows, aren't they?

No.

Lots of old blokes wearing really fancy dresses.

Similarly the choirs, in their dresses.

Those aren't dresses. Cross-dressing (wearing clothing designed for the opposite sex) is an essential element of drag shows. Some would say it's the essential element.

 

[WWBDD]

Enterprising conservative values warriors have now set up a website that helps people report planned drag shows and other deviance and degeneracy.

Defend Our Kids TX

They want to you know, protect kids from such abhorrent practices.

The important part is that we all take this verrry seriously and don't use the website to falsely report planned drag shows. Especially not at Law Enforcement facilities. Or Republican Party offices. Or Conservative churches that are overtly political but somehow still don't pay taxes.

I think this website is really wise. Nobody would ever think to spam the site with all sorts of false reports.

Children should not be exposed to adults engaged in sexual behavior. Do you disagree?

 

[acbytesla]

Children should not be exposed to adults engaged in sexual behavior. Do you disagree?

But it is ok for children to be exposed to violence? Are you up in arms over movies and TV showing killing after killing? I would rather my children seeing two people making love than two people trying to kill each other.

BTW,
What makes you think drag shows necessarily portray anyone engaged in sexual behavior?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Children should not be exposed to adults engaged in sexual behavior. Do you disagree?

I'm not sure that works as an absolute principle. It would have made things difficult from about the start of human history to only within the last few centuries

 

[Stacyhs]

But it is ok for children to be exposed to violence? Are you up in arms over movies and TV showing killing after killing? I would rather my children seeing two people making love than two people trying to kill each other.

BTW,
What makes you think drag shows necessarily portray anyone engaged in sexual behavior?

The idea that drag queens are really sexual deviants out to groom children?

 

[WWBDD]

ERMIGERD! I'm gay moral panicking!

My kids have been around gay people and Pride parades all their lives, but I bet drag shows will durn them super trans gay!

What do gay people have to do with anything? Transvestism isn't exclusive to homosexuals or males. Sexual orientation is not innate. Paraphilia and gender dysphoria can be induced. Why on earth would you expose your children to adults indulging their paraphilia? Why are you hostile toward people who believe children should not be exposed to adults engaging in sexual behavior?

 

[WWBDD]

In what should be a surprise to no one, Texas (and a couple of other states) have proposed legislation that would heavily regulate drag...

Edited by Darat: 

See mod box.

I don't believe you. Where's your evidence?

 

[bruto]

Children should not be exposed to adults engaged in sexual behavior. Do you disagree?

That seems a reasonable thing to say if the definition of "engaged in sexual behavior" is reasonable, but I suspect many people would differ on what that is.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What do gay people have to do with anything? Transvestism isn't exclusive to homosexuals or males. Sexual orientation is not innate. Paraphilia and gender dysphoria can be induced. Why on earth would you expose your children to adults indulging their paraphilia? Why are you hostile toward people who believe children should not be exposed to adults engaging in sexual behavior?

I don't believe you. Where's your evidence?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Sorry, are you claiming that drag is a paraphilia?

Because...no.

 

[acbytesla]

What do gay people have to do with anything? Transvestism isn't exclusive to homosexuals or males. Sexual orientation is not innate. Paraphilia and gender dysphoria can be induced. Why on earth would you expose your children to adults indulging their paraphilia? Why are you hostile toward people who believe children should not be exposed to adults engaging in sexual behavior?

Really? Sexual orientation is not innate? Seems to me it very much is.

par·a·phil·i·a
/ˌperəˈfilyə/
nounPSYCHIATRY
a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities

Who do we go to tell us what is abnormal?

Your church?

You?

Would you let your children see Mrs. Doubtfire? Or do you deny that Robin Williams performed in drag? How about Tom Hanks in Bosom Buddies? Jack Benny in Charlies Aunt? How about Nathan Lane in The Producers and Birdcage?

By the way, I think hateful bigotry is not innate. Bigots were taught to be ignorant.

 

[Stacyhs]

What do gay people have to do with anything? Transvestism isn't exclusive to homosexuals or males. Sexual orientation is not innate.

Hmmm. Anyone who thinks sexual orientation is a choice and not innate, is fooling themselves. Why would anyone choose to be socially vilified, attacked verbally and physically (and often murdered), arrested for sodomy (in states like TX is the past), estranged from family, etc? It's irrational to believe that.

You know what is learned? Intolerance and bigotry. Usually from intolerant and bigoted upbringing.

Paraphilia and gender dysphoria can be induced.

I suggest you read about David Reimer, a biological boy raised as a girl for 13 years, and see if he was 'induced' to identify as a girl. (Hint: he did not.) Here's a link:https://www.bbc.com/news/health-11814300

Why on earth would you expose your children to adults indulging their paraphilia?

Why on earth do you keep equating drag queens with paraphilia...or is it pedophilia that you're really talking about?

Why are you hostile toward people who believe children should not be exposed to adults engaging in sexual behavior?

Why do you think anyone here has said or believes that children should be exposed to adults engaging in sexual behavior? No one has.

 

[mgidm86]

Children should not be exposed to adults engaged in sexual behavior. Do you disagree?

Whose children? Your children? Someone else's children? I couldn't care less! That should be entirely up to the parent.

Why do you care if someone else's kid sees straight-up porn? Mind your own business.

I love these pretend pearl-clutchers showing up one by one and repeating the same tired crap over and over.

You people gladly trade your children for the 2nd Amendment every day so take your phony morality and shove it up back your ass where it came from.

 

[Stacyhs]

I love all these "Think of the children!" pearl-clutchers who are opposed to sensible gun control like banning assault style rifles. Guns kill more children every damn day than children who are 'harmed' by drag queens ever!

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why a person reading children's books to children may or may not be appropriate, depending on what kind of clothes that person is wearing.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why a person reading children's books to children may or may not be appropriate, depending on what kind of clothes that person is wearing.

You've got a long wait ahead of you.

 

[crescent]

You know, I am 51 years old. I graduated high school in 1989 - a few years after the peak of the big Satanic Panic thing.

I had a lot of friends that were evangelical or fundamentalist Christian (I was Catholic). And so many of those really overtly Christian kids were into the panic thing - especially as it related to heavy metal music.

They were convinced that AC/DC stood for "After Christ/Devil Comes". That Ozzy was a straight out Satanist. So was Ronnie James Dio (complete with a deliberately chosen sacrilegious name). Black Sabbath? Alice Cooper? You name it - play those disks backward and they're all clearly making satanic prayers. They had all sorts of rumors and stories about dark masses and animal or human sacrifice, arcane rights, all that. Some of them got the stories from their ministers (who always seemed suspiciously charismatic around their teenage congregants).

And then, all these years later, most of those metal heads have aged into fairly nice (albeit eccentric) old men, or aged into crank libertarians. I'm guessing my old friends were a bit shocked when some of them (like Alice Cooper and Dee Snider) started doing the occasional interview in costume and makeup but not in character. I remember some being pretty shocked at Cooper's appearance in Wayne's World where he was in costume and makeup but otherwise acted like a nice affable Englishman. Likewise Snider's testimony to Congress.

And then they probably watched and enjoyed The Osbourns with hardly a thought to how dangerous they all thought he was years prior.

So when I look at the current moral panic that we see centered around drag shows and transgenderism as evidenced in this thread and that thread I get the idea of what the discussions centering around Satanism would have been if we would have had internet forums in the late 1980's (widespread, easily available forums that it, not the handful of chatroom type things that were only accessible to a handful of people back then).

Just like this - with a handful of people making wild accusations, devoid of any real evidence. And when disproved, just doubling down with even greater false belief.

I guess society never changes.