Drag Shows!!

[Stacyhs]

It never ceases to amaze me that those who complain the loudest about their 'freedoms', about 'personal responsibility' and keeping the government out of their private lives are also those who are demanding government control of women's reproduction, banning books not to their personal approval in school libraries, CRT being taught in schools when it's not, forbidding teachers to discuss anything related to non-straight, non-cisgender people, and a host of other things. Hypocrisy, thy name is right-wing.

 

[Robin]

Found this related to the group in the OP.



https://texasscorecard.com/state/defend-our-kids-texas-to-expose-lefts-perversion-of-children/

And the NSFW Drag video, on twitter (also viewable in the linked article):

https://twitter.com/SaraGonzalesTX/...texas-to-expose-lefts-perversion-of-children/


Honestly, I don't see how anyone can expect all parents to be OK with this?

There is an issue here because there is a child present.

But why is that a trans issue?

Would you think it totally OK for overtly sexual to be accessible to children as long as the people doing it were dressed in the garb associated with their gender?

Or do you think that straight conservatively dressed people never do it? Think again.

 

[deadrose]

Or do you think that straight conservatively dressed people never do it? Think again.

For loads of fun, look up the statistics on youth pastors and molestation. I'd trust any number of drag queens, transgender people, gay rights activists, etc. (and I have when my kids were young), before I'd ever think of trusting a youth pastor with my kids.

 

[Stacyhs]

For loads of fun, look up the statistics on youth pastors and molestation. I'd trust any number of drag queens, transgender people, gay rights activists, etc. (and I have when my kids were young), before I'd ever think of trusting a youth pastor with my kids.

I know someone whose now ex-husband was a Mormon bishop put in charge of a kids' church summer camp even after she had openly accused him of molesting his own children to the church elders. He spent a few years in prison for it.

 

[Robin]

There are plenty of strip clubs and dinner theatre events which allow minors to attend. Why is that only bad if it involves drag?

 

[Warp12]

Kids are not walking around the city freely with their house keys anymore. Those days are long gone.

False.

It is estimated that as many as 10 million American children care for themselves before or after school. Many latchkey kids begin their self-care responsibilities at about 8 years of age. Studies show that nearly 30 percent of all children younger than 14 years of age care for themselves or are cared for by older siblings during nonschool hours

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/latchkey-kids

That same mythical kid can walk into a theater, buy a ticket for Bambi and walk into 50 Shades Of Gray. No law broken. Most theaters don't care nor would most even notice.

Yes there is no law. However, there is a voluntary standardized ratings system that is universally enforced. It is not commonplace for theaters to let unattended young children into R-Rated films. This has been the case for many years.

Go to a library and tell me how many unattended 8 year-olds you see. You will see zero. One place I never ever ever went when I had the freedom to ride my bike wherever I wanted was the library, at any age.

Based on the invalid nature of your other assertions, I find this one suspect as well.

As stated above not all drag shows are sexual.

Nobody claimed they were.

 

[Robin]

Incidentally the owner of the venue that hosted the drag brunch said that parents were warned about the explicit content.

 

[Warp12]

There are plenty of strip clubs and dinner theatre events which allow minors to attend. Why is that only bad if it involves drag?

Who said that might not be an issue? But this is a thread about drag shows/events, many of which are aimed directly at children.

 

[Robin]

Here is part of the statement of the owner:

“The ticketing site as well as confirmation e-mail also states ‘We believe it is the prerogative of parents/guardians to make decisions regarding the wellbeing of their children. If you do not allow your child to see an R-Rated movie or watch TV-MA programming, this event is not for them.’”

So this particular brunch was not marketed as for all ages.

 

[Warp12]

There is an issue here because there is a child present.

But why is that a trans issue?

Would you think it totally OK for overtly sexual to be accessible to children as long as the people doing it were dressed in the garb associated with their gender?

Or do you think that straight conservatively dressed people never do it? Think again.

Did anyone say it was a "trans" issue?

Of course it wouldn't be OK for overtly sexual behavior to be freely accessible to young children, regardless of dress. But this thread is pretty focused on Drag Queens.

 

[Warp12]

Here is part of the statement of the owner:

“The ticketing site as well as confirmation e-mail also states ‘We believe it is the prerogative of parents/guardians to make decisions regarding the wellbeing of their children. If you do not allow your child to see an R-Rated movie or watch TV-MA programming, this event is not for them.’”

So this particular brunch was not marketed as for all ages.

This has already been discussed earlier, starting here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13969139#post13969139

 

[Robin]

Who said that might not be an issue? But this is a thread about drag shows/events, many of which are aimed directly at children.

Explain the relevance of posting this video then.

Drag shows aimed at families don't have sexuality explicit content. (The video in question was targetted to adults)

 

[Warp12]

I really love the predictability of some of these responses.

First, numerous liberals will express that they do not want any age-appropriate restrictions on any events/materials. Essentially attempting to invalidate all of the concerns that conservatives have for their own children.

Then when I say, "fine, then let them ban the shows", mock outrage is expressed over the "unreasonable" nature of my suggestion.

It is hilarious, to say the least. Hey, I'll stick by it though; if liberals can't give an inch, I hope conservatives take a mile...and through legislation. That is my new approach in these cases. Scorched earth, no negotiation.

 

[Warp12]

Explain the relevance of posting this video then.

Drag shows aimed at families don't have sexuality explicit content. (The video in question was targetted to adults)

Uhh...it is a drag show, as this thread is devoted to. It was posted to Twitter with association to the activist group noted in the OP. Children were allowed to attend, with supervision.

I think that covers it.

 

[xjx388]

Yes, I am intentionally not taking the conversation there. It is a waste of time.

I have earlier stated that I am not suggesting an outright ban. But rather age-appropriate restrictions. It should be enough for me to say I don't want my young child to have access to it; whether or not I can be standing over them at every moment of the day, or at every venue such an event might be presented.

Parents have a legitimate right to these concerns.

Your young children don’t have access to it unless you allow them to go. That’s the bottom line. I don’t see how your 10 year old goes to the show without your permission.

Teenagers, maybe, might have a little more freedom to go to shows you don’t want them to go to without you knowing. But if they actually want to go to these shows, then that sounds like a parent-child issue, maybe your indoctrination parental guidance didn’t take? Sounds like maybe you need to keep them locked inside your home or church where they only see things you want them to see.

As I said before, you are 100% free to raise your kids how you want to. You can restrict them from any content you want them to avoid. You can indoctrinate them to your heart’s content and shelter them from other stuff you consider indoctrination into freakish belief systems. You do you.

What you cannot do, what I and others like me will fight you on, is your beliefs controlling what my kids are allowed to see. I will take my kid to any show I consider appropriate for their age/maturity level and stuff I want them to be exposed to.

There are limits of course. But drag shows? C’mon man.

 

[xjx388]

Also, I am not sure about every library's policies for children. But I can tell you, by age 8 I was a "latch-key" kid. Meaning, I had a house key and was unattended for much of the day. So, many kids like that might just wind up at the library, I imagine. So, you know, I think the discussion of age-appropriate restrictions is very relevant to this topic.

Or at least a relevant concern for parents.

But the world is not your babysitter. If your life circumstances require you to have a “latch key kid,” well, that comes with trade-offs. Kids are going to be exposed to stuff you can’t control. That’s not my problem, it’s yours.

 

[xjx388]

Of course.

But some liberals seem to be against that very notion. Hence they shun of the idea of age-appropriate restrictions on events such as DSH.

Also, it doesn't matter whether you can see the problem or not. We aren't just talking about your kids. "I don't see a problem with kids being exposed to xyz", is not a valid argument that it should be acceptable to everyone, or even the default.

But can’t you see that legal age restrictions enforces a conservative moral stance and restricts more liberal parents?

 

[Warp12]

But the world is not your babysitter. If your life circumstances require you to have a “latch key kid,” well, that comes with trade-offs. Kids are going to be exposed to stuff you can’t control. That’s not my problem, it’s yours.

So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?

 

[Random]

So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?

And he's back to the safety of the Motte...

 

[acbytesla]

So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?

Where's the need? How many young children do you think are attending drag shows?
And what harm might come to these children if they did see one?

Demonstrate an actual problem.