"Dr" Steve Pieczenik

[triforcharity]

The Infowars article cites Wikipedia as it's primary source that "Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a 'conspiracy theorist'." However, prior to Dr. Neustadt's edits, all his Wikipedia said was this:



It should be noted there were no sources listed on this article, either, other than Piczenik's personal website and IMDB. This is how it looked for six months, right up until the day Infowars ran their story. If you look at the May 4th archives, the information added by the Drneustadt user on May 4th indicates that he was attempting to verify and expand upon Pieczenik's expertise rather than discredit him.

This doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything - I just found it interesting that Dr. Pieczenik's business partner was (seemingly) the first one editing his Wikipedia after the Infowars article went up. I also thought maybe some of his information could be used in further piecing together who exactly Pieczenik is supposed to be.



Ah, but here I am, and he certainly can't prove that I don't exist.

Also, he never worked in the State Department under Kissinger, unless he was in a hired position, instead of an appointed position.

 

[freud]

Do I understand you correctly that after "Drneustadt"'s edit, shortly after the AJ interview, the wikipedia article said that "Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a 'conspiracy theorist'.", like the Infowars article? If that's the case, someone certainly tried to play a practical joke on Pieczenik and Infowars. A little bit too obvious for a real partner of him, don't you think, Siggi?

Call me a cynic, but I'd wager that your average Infowars reader isn't going to look at Alex's sources, let alone his source's sources. If it was a "practical joke," it was a joke intended for an obscure minority of the audience who would actually bother to piece this together.

But as I said before, this really doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything on it's own about Pieczenik's story, so I'm not sure why you're so reluctant to believe that Pieczenik's business partner would work with him together on a separate project. What do you think that implies about Pieczenik?

Ok, I think I misunderstood you. Here is a comparision between before Drneustadt's first edit and after his last edit (several little corrections to his first edit, all took about 40min). He added a lot of info. A few hours later, an IP added the line "He is an outspoken conspiracy theorist concerning the war on terror." and apparently the edit wars ensued since then (without Drneustadt but with Ericsnowman).

Edit: Oh, okay, apologies for the mix up. Basically what I was getting at is that Infowars cited Wikipedia and the Wikipedia article was meant to verify Pieczenik's credentials, but prior to Neustadt's editing the Wikipedia article wouldn't have verified much at all about Pieczenik.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I don't even know if Neustadt is Pieczenik's business partner and I also don't know if Infowars cited wikipedia before the info was there. You can posts links if you omit the http part - or just post a little humor until you have 15 posts. You'll have to provide evidence for your claims on this forum. It's just basic suspicion about a new (SPA?) member posting on a controversial topic, nothing personal.

 

[freud]

I don't even know if Neustadt is Pieczenik's business partner and I also don't know if Infowars cited wikipedia before the info was there. You can posts links if you omit the http part - or just post a little humor until you have 15 posts. You'll have to provide evidence for your claims on this forum. It's just basic suspicion about a new (SPA?) member posting on a controversial topic, nothing personal.

Understandable. From nbitesting.com (I had to edit out the URLs from my copy & paste job):

This frustration and pain that people experience is the same that Drs. Neustadt and PIeczenik have felt in their own health. Because of their personal experiences and frustrations with the medical system, they developed this new, revolutionary that has successfully helped thousands of people.

NBI Testing and Consulting Corporation was founded by Dr. Steve Pieczenik MD, PhD and Dr. John Neustadt, ND.

John Neustadt, ND is medical director of Montana Integrative Medicine and president and CEO of Nutritional Biochemistry, Inc (NBI) and NBI Testing and Consulting Corporation (NBITC) in Bozeman, Mont. Dr. Neustadt has published more than 100 research reviews, including Medication-Induced Mitochondrial Damage and Disease, which was written with Dr. Pieczenik and requested by a senior FDA researcher. Dr. Neustadt wrote the books, Jonathan Wright, MD, of the book, Thriving through Dialysis with Jonathan Wright, MD, and A Revolution in Health through Nutritional Biochemistry with Dr. Pieczenik. Dr. Neustadt is an editor of the of the textbook, Laboratory Evaluations for Integrative and Functional Medicine and is on the editorial advisory boards of the Journal of Prolotherapy and Remedies Magazine. In August 2008, Dr. Neustadt was voted Best Doctor among all physicians in the area in the annual Best of Bozeman survey. This is the first time a naturopathic physician has ever won this category.

Steve Pieczenik, MD, PhD trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an MD from Cornell University Medical College and a PhD in International Relations from M.I.T. He is a board-certified Psychiatrist and was a board examiner in Psychiatry and Neurology. He is chairman of the boards of NBITC and NBI.

From the NBI Testing website there are links to books on Amazon that the two have co-authored together. The Montanaim.com website also contains articles written jointly by Pieczenik and Neustadt.

 

[rsalinger]

When I looked at the ABPN website he doesn't come up as being a board certified psychiatrist which seems strange given his claims. I checked on another psychiatrist I know who went to Cornell and he appeared instantly.

 

[rsalinger]

Oops correction - needed to type in STEVE - then he's there, so that part of his claim is correct.

 

[Oystein]

I was talking about the specific case. I told you how I verified his claims, ...

Hmm I don't think you did. You merely stated that you agree with him. Or is that the method: Anyone who agrees with you is thus right?

...
In general, the WP is the second most important propaganda outlet in the US and should be always taken with a huge grain of salt. It's so important because it's directed at the Intelligentsia. You lot.

You are not Intelligentsia then. Ok. Duly noted.

 

[Oystein]

As someone else has pointed out, he is being touted as a key witness primarily because of his credentials. He was presented to the Alex Jones audience as someone who can't be written off because of his credentials. I think people are merely trying to verify his story based on Alex's not-so-good track record when it comes to telling the truth.

Not sure how much I can add here, but Dr. Steve also runs a company called NBI Testing & Consulting with naturopath Dr. John Neustadt.

Curiously enough, if you look at the editing history for Pieczenik's Wikipedia, a user named Drneustadt was responsible for several initial edits done on May 4th (the same day the Infowars article was published). Dr. Neustadt's final edit reads too much like a brochure for me to think there's not something funny going on with these two. Considering this is Dr. Steve's business partner and his edits were clearly meant to serve as the original "definitive" source to the Infowars article, perhaps we could use some of Dr. Neustadt's info to piece together Pieczenik's story?

Of course, most of what Dr. Neustadt wrote is gone because he included no sources, but his May 4th edits were archived and you fine folks shouldn't have any problem looking that up. I'd include a link myself, but can't until I have fifteen posts. Phooey.

You can post links if you edit them a little - leave away the http and the www and maybe exchange the dot before the TLD with a space - we'll know how to correct such things. It's not against the Membership Agreement

 

[Oystein]

Understandable. From nbitesting.com (I had to edit out the URLs from my copy & paste job):



From the NBI Testing website there are links to books on Amazon that the two have co-authored together. The Montanaim.com website also contains articles written jointly by Pieczenik and Neustadt.

Hmm.
http://nbitesting.com/
That webpage has a footer:

"Copyright 2007 © All Rights Reserved -- NBI Testing and Consulting"​

The Contact page tells us:

"We are located at:
1087 Stoneridge Drive, Suite 1
Bozeman, MT 59718"​

I checked http://www.whitepages.com for a business named "NBI" or "NBI Testing and Consulting" in Bozeman, MT, and found 0 results.
Could it be that they are out of business by now?
Maybe someone from inside the USA could call them:

Phone: 406-585-5535 (local) or 800-NBI-1416 (toll-free)​

(If it's important whether they are still in business or not)

 

[freud]

The recording at the 800 number goes to the offices of "Nutrional Biochemstry Inc" and Google Maps verifies them as being at the address above. The 800 number also tells us to go to NBIHealth.com, which is an "alternative medicine" store also connected to Pieczenik.

Anything in this bio we don't know yet? And how many bios does this guy have? Jeez.

Steve Pieczenik, MD, PhD (stevepieczenik.com) trained in psychiatry at Harvard and has an MD from Cornell University Medical College and a PhD in International Relations from Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He twice won the prestigious Harry C. Solomon Award for outstanding research in psychiatry at Harvard Medical College, received a National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) five-year fellowship award, and was Director of International Activities at the NIMH. He is a board-certified psychiatrist and was a board examiner in psychiatry and neurology. He is chairman of the boards of NBI and NBITC.

Drs. Neustadt and Pieczenik bring nearly a century of cumulative research and education from Cornell University, Cornell University Medical College, Harvard Medical College, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), University of California at San Diego (UCSD), University of Washington (UW), and Bastyr University.

Drs. Neustadt and Pieczenik were recognized by Elsevier as being one of the Top Ten Cited Authors in 2007 & 2008 for their article, "Mitochondrial dysfunction and molecular pathways of disease." This article was published in the journal, Experimental and Molecular Pathology. The article discusses the possible underlying biochemical causes and treatments for many health problems, such as depression, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic fatigue syndrome and Alzheimer’s disease. Elsevier is the world’s largest publisher of science and health information, providing valuable information to more than 30 million scientists, students and health and information professionals worldwide.

 

[JAStewart]

Maybe he was Deputy Assistant to the Management

 

[Oystein]

The recording at the 800 number goes to the offices of "Nutrional Biochemstry Inc" and Google Maps verifies them as being at the address above. The 800 number also tells us to go to NBIHealth.com, which is an "alternative medicine" store also connected to Pieczenik.

Anything in this bio we don't know yet? And how many bios does this guy have? Jeez.

This line:

"He twice won the prestigious Harry C. Solomon Award for outstanding research in psychiatry at Harvard Medical College"​

There is of course no Harvard Medical College - it's the Harvard Medical School. Anyway. Googling Harry Solomon Award site:hms.harvard.edu yields exactly one mention of this "prestigeous" award:
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/psych/research-day.htm

The Department of Psychiatry will hold its annual Research Day and Mysell Lecture on March 30, 2011... . The purpose of the event is to encourage collaborative research efforts within the Department by allowing faculty members and trainees to learn about the work being conducted at our various affiliate hospitals.
...
Research Day will begin with a poster presentation session from 1:30-3:30 pm in the Conference Center Rotunda. Both faculty and trainees are encouraged to present posters describing their research ...
...
... the Harry and Maida Solomon Award will be given for the best poster presentation by a Resident.

It's not nothing, but the prestige seems pretty limited, as is the scope of potential award winners.

 

[timhau]

Did someone say Harry Solomon award?

 

[Dave Rogers]

A question, which I've already asked of CE, who surprisingly doesn't seem to want to reply, is: what has Pieczenik actually claimed in 2011 that is new?

If his claim is that OBL was dead in 2002, then that's no more than his original claim, and without supporting evidence then he is making no more than another appeal to authority. Since, in 2002, OBL's whereabouts were unknown, short of psychic powers it is impossible for Pieczenik to be an authority on whether he was alive or dead, so without further evidence his claim is irrelevant.

If he's actually made any new claims, could someone with a stronger stomach please summarise them for those of us who prefer not to sit through an Alex Jones interview?

Dave

 

[carlitos]

I listened to the NON-Alex Jones interview that CE linked - "survive to thrive," hosted by Steve Quayle. After sitting through several minutes about how "the powers that be" are hoarding silver to drive the price down (?) to screw the common man ... I learn that hey, the silver market is going to "explode" after it dips below 32. What the heck is with these guys and precious metals?

Oh, Steve Quayle makes money selling precious metals. Gee, what a surprise. Oh God, Colloidal silver as well. Great, so he's killing his own customers. Bully for Steve.

Anyway, All Pieczenik did is repeat his old story from 2002. He "knew for a fact" that 6 months into the Clinton administration, Osama bin Laden had Marfan syndrome, which produces renal complications and requires dialysis. Therefore, he's dead.

So, nothing new - it's same claim he made 8 years ago. Augmented by claims that Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama are all "pathological liars." The Osama bin Laden killing last week was a "psyop" to raise Obama's approval numbers. His bold prediction - President Obama will "self-destruct" like Clinton did. There is a "second American revolution" coming, blah blah blah survivalist / Ron Paul / martial law is coming yada yada. A bunch of BS.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Sounds like you listened to about ten minutes of the interview (not counting the idiotic ads). But you're right, there are no new claims about 9/11 in that interview.

 

[Dave Rogers]

But you're right, there are no new claims about 9/11 in that interview.

Which was the question all along. So we can forget about Dr. P for purposes of Mackey's timer. Thank you.

Dave

 

[Childlike Empress]

Which was the question all along. So we can forget about Dr. P for purposes of Mackey's timer. Thank you.

Dave

In that interview. We can forget about everything for purposes of Mackey's timer. You're welcome.

 

[carlitos]

Sounds like you listened to about ten minutes of the interview (not counting the idiotic ads). But you're right, there are no new claims about 9/11 in that interview.

Yeah, I'm trying to do my expenses, and getting mad at the radio isn't productive. 15 minutes was plenty, and no new news. Is there another interview where Dr. P has new news?

 

[Dave Rogers]

In that interview.

OK, if he's made any other revelations about 9/11 recently, would you like to say what they were? Or would you rather be part of your own imaginary cover-up, which is where you seem to be standing so far?

We can forget about everything for purposes of Mackey's timer.

Your whingeing would be relevant if there was anything relevant to forget about. Again, you're complaining that you're not allowed to win when you won't even play the game.

Dave