"Dr" Steve Pieczenik

[CompusMentus]

The Washington Post, Feb 27, 1995

(My underlines to highlight his bio/qualifications)

The full article would cost US$ 3.95. Does anyone have a subscription?

Thanks O.

I would love to know the sources there of Stephanie Mansfield.


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[Grassy Knowlington]

His bio says:

He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.

I don't see how this could be true and he's spouting to nothing but CT handjobbers.

I call horsepoop.

In my experience being an advisor to a defence department can just mean 'they asked me about something and I got paid'.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I need no prompting from you, I know exactly what my goal is here (as stated)

Your goal is to cast doubt on something you can't wrap your head around.

So far:

CFR member - check
PhD from MIT - check
Studied at Harvard - check
Worked with Clancy - check

And now? Enough? Will you switch to simply declaring him a kook™ next? Ah no, I see your last post. You cast doubt on the sources of the WP. They made it up because it can't be.

 

[DGM]

Your goal is to cast doubt on something you can't wrap your head around.

So far:

CFR member - check
PhD from MIT - check
Studied at Harvard - check
Worked with Clancy - check

And now? Enough? Will you switch to simply declaring him a kook™ next? Ah no, I see your last post. You cast doubt on the sources of the WP. They made it up because it can't be.

Where did you verify the PhD from MIT and studies at Harvard?

 

[CompusMentus]

Looks like we're not the only ones questioning how legit this guy is:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forum...tion-of-US-Carriers-Steve-Pieczenik-comments&

WOW :-]

Seems he might also have claimed to have been offered a rear-admiralcy and also perhaps single-handedly ended the cold-war (or something like that)

This guy seems a bit of a polymath to say the least. We can now add linguist, classical pianist and child prodigy. The list goes on.

 

[The Big Dog]

Where did you verify the PhD from MIT and studies at Harvard?

No doubt from the entertainment article from the Washington Post.

CE's not very big on original sources or raw video.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Where did you verify the PhD from MIT and studies at Harvard?

Oystein's WP article. He underlined it for us (thanks). That's good enough for me. I didn't listen to the Alex Jones interview but to another one. The man obviously knows what he's talking about. You know, it's an open secret for many years that Bin Laden was dead since late 2001. That's why they fail to deliver evidence in this bizarre way, not because he's still alive. I know it's hard to accept but this is the amount of lies we're told these days. You better start to come to grips with this, for the sake of your own sanity.

 

[Oystein]

Thanks O.

I would love to know the sources there of Stephanie Mansfield.


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I bought the article. Mansfield did an interview with him. Some excerps:

roly-poly, gold-braceleted and mustachioed Steve Pieczenik looks more like a ladies' shoe salesman than a Tom Clancy super-hero.

-> She apparently met him in person

"I've done the op center," says Pie\czenik, referring to his days in the State Department's

...in 1979, he resigned as a deputy assistant secretary of state over the handling of the Iranian hostage crisis.

In 1992, Pieczenik told Newsday that in his professional opinion, President Bush was "clinically depressed." "Boy, did I get flak for that." He was brought up on an ethics charge before the American Psychiatric Association and reprimanded. "It was a kangaroo court," he says. "It's unconstitutional. I can say whatever I want." He subsequently quit the APA.

(Remember Pieczenik is a psychiatrist)

Dealing with Idi Amin and Manuel Noriega was one thing. The tyrants of Hollywood are a different story.

His father, a doctor, fled Poland before World War II. His mother, a Russian Jew, fled Europe after many of her family members were killed. They met in Cuba, where Pieczenik was born -- out of wedlock, he specifies -- in 1943. Seven years later, after living for a time in a France still ravaged by the war, the family was allowed to immigrate to America.

The family settled in Manhattan, and the young boy experienced a rich cultural life.

He is asked if the accomplishments -- the scholarships to college and med school; the graduate degrees; the high-profile government service; the dabbling in real estate and banking -- are all some form of overcompensation.

"Yes, in some ways, perhaps."

That's pretty much all the bio info here, except for the parts that dealt with Clancy and the book and film industries. No sources stated.

 

[CompusMentus]

Your goal is to cast doubt on something you can't wrap your head around.

So far:

CFR member - check
PhD from MIT - check
Studied at Harvard - check
Worked with Clancy - check

And now? Enough? Will you switch to simply declaring him a kook™ next? Ah no, I see your last post. You cast doubt on the sources of the WP. They made it up because it can't be.

I'll give you the CFR membership and the Clancy work but please supply primary, independent sources for the Havard and Phd claims.

TIA


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[CompusMentus]

Oystein's WP article. He underlined it for us (thanks). That's good enough for me. I didn't listen to the Alex Jones interview but to another one. The man obviously knows what he's talking about. You know, it's an open secret for many years that Bin Laden was dead since late 2001. That's why they fail to deliver evidence in this bizarre way, not because he's still alive. I know it's hard to accept but this is the amount of lies we're told these days. You better start to come to grips with this, for the sake of your own sanity.

Bin Laden dead/not dead threads

<<<<thataway

 

[DGM]

Oystein's WP article. He underlined it for us (thanks). That's good enough for me. .

If you don't mind I'll wait for a primary source.

I called a friend at the Boston Globe. He's going to check the alumni info for me (might take a couple days).

 

[Oystein]

I'll give you the CFR membership and the Clancy work but please supply primary, independent sources for the Havard and Phd claims.

TIA


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And for all his alleged high positions and ranks at State Department, crisis teams, Navy.

 

[CompusMentus]

I bought the article. Mansfield did an interview with him. Some excerps:

That's pretty much all the bio info here, except for the parts that dealt with Clancy and the book and film industries. No sources stated.

Thanks Mr Oy! You're a star!

S'funny, but "ladies shoe salesman" is just how I imagined him :=]



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[CompusMentus]

If you don't mind I'll wait for a primary source.

I called a friend at the Boston Globe. He's going to check the alumni info for me (might take a couple days).

Excellent stuff DGM. Top hole old chap.


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[oody]

Here is a Google search I did that got several hits from a Dr Steve R Pieczenik PhD '82 as having donated to MIT.

 

[carlitos]

Don't know if this is anything significant, but I see that Ericsnowman has been editing the crap out of the wiki article:

ericsnow is a member here who often posts Alex Jones stuff in the conspiracy theories forum. He tends not to stick around for the discussion. I think he might be part of the show, or just a superfan of Alex Jones. I PM'd him this topic; perhaps he has the info.

 

[Oystein]

It's interesting that us "debunkers" are coming up with the research results, not "truthers".
This may be indicative of two things:
1. We debunkers know how to research things
2. We debunkers are not afraid of evidence in our disfavour

 

[Sabretooth]

The transcript in the OP has Alex mention "they had 58 minutes to shoot down the second plane (UA175)"...and then Steve lays down that he basically agrees with this atrocity:

AJ: Then their names are kept out of the Customs computers. Then the watch list doesn?t get to the airlines. Fifty-eight minutes they had to shoot down the second plane that hit the World Trade Center and, as you said, seventy plus minutes to get that other plane. So, example after example, and then somebody with an incredible track record and serious resume like yourself comes out with an analysis that I don?t even come out with on the air, even though that?s what I suspected ? most Americans can?t grasp sleeper agents. If you start talking about this, because of the military precision of the Pentagon attack or even what we saw with the twin towers. I mean, again, elaborate on this for us. This is earth shattering.

SP: Well, it?s earth shattering for me, too. It was the kind of thing that I wouldn?t want to believe. I mean, you know it?s not like I just came out of the closet and I was a whistle blower. I want the audience to understand. I?m a patriot and I?ve always felt strongly that the reason that I served my country is because it?s an honor to serve, to serve the people. I don?t serve a institution or a government that got out of control. And by the way, I wrote a book about this years ago, called ?State of Emergency? where I said that we are going to have fights about the devolution of federal power, but basically it was over water rights in the Colorado River and occurred over Nevada and Arizona and that?s what?s happening ? it?s States vs. federal rights.

So this guy, who claims to have gobs of military and high-levels of understanding, can't even grasp basic data.

ATC didn't even notice a problem with UA175 until 08:47. That gives a whopping 16 minutes to react, scramble, intercept, decide, execute.

Hell, UA175 didn't even depart until 08:14. Even if ATC knew immediately after departure, that's 49 minutes. Where these jackrabbits got "58 minutes to shootdown" is lost on me.

That whole transcript is just baseless garbage. Not a single fact discussed from what I can see.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

It's interesting that us "debunkers" are coming up with the research results, not "truthers".
This may be indicative of two things:
1. We debunkers know how to research things
2. We debunkers are not afraid of evidence in our disfavour

And even though this is a slight digression from the OP (sorry again, CM!), that's part of why it's best to argue claims directly above discussion of who said them. I'm no longer so hardcore about saying that discussion of the claimant is out-of-bounds, but ultimately, what matters is the claim, not the claimant.

What if it turns out that the guy really does have a PhD and did achieve rank really, really fast in the military? I doubt the latter and simply cannot speak towards the former, but like I've said before, I don't care if Einstein and Hawking says that the sun rises in the west; the claim's own merits are what's at question.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

ericsnow is a member here who often posts Alex Jones stuff in the conspiracy theories politics and social issues & current events forum.

Eric Snow believes his BS is actually real. Even more so than other twoofers (whom by complying with the topical restrictions on JREF subforums implicitly concede their beliefs are garbage). Most of Eric Snows threads in CT/911CT arrive by the scenic route.