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Moderated Dowsing By Edge

Originally Posted by edge
My biggest challenge was to find out why in a controlled experiment, in a building, I did so poorly but yet in the field I was locating at the time or before the test, I was pulling ounces.
Why I was able to do so well in the field and so bad in a controlled environment and in a building.
I am curious to see what you discovered in this area.

Thanks for your time,

~ Matt


What I discovered is pig wire in the slab we were standing on as with most fairly modern buildings.
Or possibly in that building rebar crisscrossing for reinforcing of the concrete.

The same thing has happened in and on other locations where I have tested on slabs.

Pixel42 says:
My guess would be because in the controlled environment the ideomotor effect was completely eliminated, whilst in your field testing it was not. In other words there were visible clues in the field environment which your brain was unconsciously processing, but no such clues were available under properly controlled conditions. Have you considered this explanation? If so, why did you dismiss it?
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All I can tell you is I am measuring the force in a spot with minimal attraction then with the target there on that spot so there are two different numbers , one with the target and one with out.

Sure there are visible clues in the field but those spots, like a boulder pack a crack an inside turn where the gold should be do not necessarily have the gold trapped there.
Have I checked yes, because those places should have been holding and I was curious to see?

GzuzKryzt how ya been? If you get to high you can spend the night.
Well late at night I get tired so sorry if I start losing my train of thought.

My confusion about the demonstration fall generally into three categories - the target items, the purpose of the scale, and the presence of the dimes in the dowsing rod (my apologies if this has been covered before, but in light of SezMe's report I think they deserve a bit of consideration now as well). Originally I had experienced some minor confusion in regards to the presence of this Danny individual, but from rereading the report it seems he was assigned to observe and report the readings of the scale.
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Alright let me start with this, I was watching my arms and my hands to see if it was the ideomotor effect in other words I made sure I didn’t move at all.
No looking away from my hands or arms.
Meditating to be perfectly still. He was assigned to observe and report the readings of the scale.
By the way the dime was pure silver 1913 I believe.
The metal in the end of the stick is for finding metal just a willow stick locates water.
There was a lot on the line.
Now that I know that I was perfectly still. Having some one do this isn’t necessary for the test; we had to learn much quickly as I had just figured out this important part of the test measuring the force both ways.
If I need some one to help see it for me because it also twists it will be a JREF rep.


rjh01 I watched the video you supplied.

That is the first time I heard they moved the cups, this I didn’t know.
Had I known then I would have stopped.
In the next protocol they will be all on the same spot.

What happened in the past doesn’t matter.
Only I know what I felt in that office that day and my concerns or excuses didn’t come at the end but in the beginning.
There will be no question about it in this protocol, I will eliminate or find a place with no distractions…

As soon as I placed the cups down I knew I would fail, I should have called it off, I wanted to see how they ran it.

If I fail miserably with this protocol I will switch sides like I said.
I don’t think that will happen.
 
Tricky said:
Before you spend too much time on this, Edge, I think you need to read the application rules. They have changed a little since the last time you applied, particularly as regards to the twelfth rule:



It is possible that the Swift write-up of your previous trial seven years ago, or the small blurb in Newsweek may count as a "media presence". But unless you convince an academic to witness and sign off on your "powers", then you needn't waste any more of your time time.
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This was in place the last time I applied.
I can get a Chemistry professor to vouch for me possibly, I'll see if he wants to run a test on me.
My point was this is the perfect protocol, or as perfect as you can get to test dowsing.
 
edge said:
I don't know if I will apply.
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If you don't, it will be a shame. You seem at least willing to inquire, which alone makes you different from the rest.

If I might offer a small suggestion, a good way to test this experiment would be to run it with someone else as the dowser - your friend Danny, perhaps.At worst, it would be a nice way to test out your equipment again. It would also allow you to act as an observer, which would further allow you to refine your proposed test protocol.

~ Matt
 
edge said:
This was in place the last time I applied.
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No it wasn't. It has only been in place for a little more than a year.

edge said:
I can get a Chemistry professor to vouch for me possibly, I'll see if he wants to run a test on me.
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And willing to sign an affedevit that you are legit? He may not be as willing as you suspect, but truly, I hope you do, because I'd like to see you take the test again.

edge said:
My point was this is the perfect protocol, or as perfect as you can get to test dowsing.
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You think that's perfect? It has nothing about how the test is double-blinded. You desperately need some help writing the protocol because you are... to be kind... unable to write clearly. I'm sure there would be many people here willing to help you.
 
Tricky said:
No it wasn't. It has only been in place for a little more than a year.


And willing to sign an affedevit that you are legit? He may not be as willing as you suspect, but truly, I hope you do, because I'd like to see you take the test again.


You think that's perfect? It has nothing about how the test is double-blinded. You desperately need some help writing the protocol because you are... to be kind... unable to write clearly. I'm sure there would be many people here willing to help you.
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LOL how legit do I have to be???
James has videos and pictures of me they can double blind it all they want and they know how to do it perfectly.
The only thing I care about is what I want it to be from my perspective.
One more thing and what the target is to be, that's it, they can triple blind it.

Oh Ya and once I mark the spot it stays there.

I don't need to know anything except that the target passes over that spot once every ten sets.

They will, even if you write it, never agree to test me, there will be an excuse this time from them again, of that I am sure.
They can use cards, dice, straws, it doesn’t matter to me.

They know their end of it and I know how to do my end of it.
It's just too simple don't over simplify.

As long as they give me everything in my list I will agree to what they do as far as double blinding it.
They could send me to the moon and back if they want while they pick which numbered container gets the target.
Here's a picture from Gods' country. You could see MT.Shasta from where I lived.
 

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Incredible that it takes seven years to devise a protocol for a skill that was already demonstrated not to exist by a perfectly good test seven years ago.

If I may, let me sum up what Edge is going to say for the next seven years, and we can just cut and paste it in periodically; that way if anything happens to Edge, we can keep all of these threads going, like that Frankenstein guy in Deathrace 2000:

"I know it work because I been doing it for yeras and I find gold, water, as fast as seconds. Problem is that protocol needs to clearly take out errors so that I can deomnstrate the skill and take the million. I been over 70% almost all the time, and will usually do 80% or 90% finding gold, medal, whatever. Now all that has to happen is JREF agree to the protocol, and I'm good to go whenever. I'll do at least 50% on the test, and will tr yto do better but 50% should be enough to show that dowsing does work, like i've know for years."

Did I leave anything out? This doesn't have to be the final version; in fact, we can work on it forever if necessary...
 
He's a former (failed) applicant looking for a new slant on his impossible claim. What could be more relevant to the the MDC?
 
edge said:
5: As before you will want me to get at least 8 of ten correct, picking out the target each time they are present this will mean also that I have to get 90 correct hits on the empty containers with out the target present, that in it's self is an extraordinary accomplishment.
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No, if you pick 8 "right" you will in total get 96 correct.

If in 10 groups you have to pick the one right container out of ten and you fail every single time you will still “correctly” pick 80 empty containers out of the 100.

Picking one from a group of ten you will either get 10 out of 10 'right' or 8 out of 10 'right' .

Don't make the mistake of being impressed by picking the empty containers, it is all about finding the targeted ones.
 
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edge said:
LOL how legit do I have to be???
James has videos and pictures of me they can double blind it all they want and they know how to do it perfectly.
The only thing I care about is what I want it to be from my perspective.
One more thing and what the target is to be, that's it, they can triple blind it.

Oh Ya and once I mark the spot it stays there.
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Could you please describe what you mean by "they can double blind it", edge?

And also "they can triple blind it"?
 
Lothian said:
Double blind, neither the tester or the person being tested knows where the right bottles are.
Triple blind. The evaluator is not told where they were either !
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I'm sure GzuzKryzt understands the meaning of the terms, he was trying to find out whether edge does.
 
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