rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
Edge has a different reality to the rest of us. It is interesting what he has to say. When he says it.
Hope he gets enough gold to keep him going.
Hope he gets enough gold to keep him going.
No, I mean enjoying the lack of interaction - between edge's stick and the gold!Well, I WAS enjoying the interaction, when it was happening. Now I'm not enjoying the lack of it.
Spektator
Is that right?
Edge promised us he would reapply after a couple of days of gold-mining in July:
Have you sent in the application, Edge? We're nearly halfway through September.
Have you sent in the application, Edge? We're nearly halfway through September.
Edge has successfully applied for testing before, so he should have no problems with doing so again.
But then again, Edge has never been terribly honest in regards to his first test, finding all kinds of dumb excuses to try to explain away his abject failure.
But then again, Edge has never been terribly honest in regards to his first test, finding all kinds of dumb excuses to try to explain away his abject failure.
Here's what I know.
It can be proven with a dredge and a lot of time.
It would take at least 70 days to do so. That’s the time it took me to try 11 good spots and eight places where there was a loss of profits.
I went to the park , the most neutral place I could find , I checked it with a metal detector and It verified that there was nothing near the surface.
I ran the test for about ten minutes and it can't be done that away either.
As I dowsed there was no reaction to the target or any of the containers, so I tried harder and then there was a reaction to the containers that had no target material in them as well as the one with the target.
I don't think that any one will want to prove it with a dredge; I couldn't afford to supply three people although it would be interesting to do so.
There is one other way but I will have to run several tests to make sure that it can be done and at which point I would file with J.R.E.F....and i could go to them to be tested.
The only thing is to dowse for magnetic fields and that’s where the ballast test would come to play.
Ten ballasts or transformers whichever is the strongest, it is a target that can over ride anything that’s under it, in the earth.
If it can’t be done that way,
it has to be tested in the field, with a dredge that would take outside backers.
It can be proven with a dredge and a lot of time.
It would take at least 70 days to do so. That’s the time it took me to try 11 good spots and eight places where there was a loss of profits.
I went to the park , the most neutral place I could find , I checked it with a metal detector and It verified that there was nothing near the surface.
I ran the test for about ten minutes and it can't be done that away either.
As I dowsed there was no reaction to the target or any of the containers, so I tried harder and then there was a reaction to the containers that had no target material in them as well as the one with the target.
I don't think that any one will want to prove it with a dredge; I couldn't afford to supply three people although it would be interesting to do so.
There is one other way but I will have to run several tests to make sure that it can be done and at which point I would file with J.R.E.F....and i could go to them to be tested.
The only thing is to dowse for magnetic fields and that’s where the ballast test would come to play.
Ten ballasts or transformers whichever is the strongest, it is a target that can over ride anything that’s under it, in the earth.
If it can’t be done that way,
it has to be tested in the field, with a dredge that would take outside backers.
timokay
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Can you dowse in a controlled environment anywhere to demonstrate that dowsing works? Or do you require dredging and mining equipment for every demostration?
Psiload
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Along the lines of what timokay already asked, edge: How does this post affect your forthcoming JREF Challenge Application?
I'm glad you're alright.
Do you mean that you determined the most neutral place by checking it with a metal detector and verifying that there was nothing near the surface?
It?
How do you "try harder"?
Doesn't the dowsing rod do all the work?
Anyway it seems you (or the rod) failed.
I still think it's funny - dredge (Dr. Edge)
How come in the field you can pick up all sorts of stuff with total disregard to what else is about?
FFed
Muse
Enough is enough. Either do the test again or admit what you already know, that you can't dowse for jack. Your continued evasion of being tested again shows that you realize you can't dowse, and the only reason you delay is because you want your delusion to continue. Get some professional help.
Ladewig
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I'm a little confused, so let me ask a question.
In searching for a place to do your open test (an open test being one where you know where the target is), you used a metal detector to scan a place that was not near any buildings. The open test did not produce the outcome you expected. You concluded that there was some material buried too deep to detect with a metal detector but not too deep for you to detect with your dowsing equipment. Is that a summary of your position?
ETA: if your dowsing technique is so much better than a metal detector, why didn't you use the dowsing equipment to scan the area before you started the test.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Funny, this is not what you were saying earlier when you were going to identify "black sands" in suspended targets or something like that. I will say that it is good that you must at least be doing honest tests on simple targets, since you have obviously failed at them, something that wouldn't happen if you were cheating. What is sad is that you don't accept these failures as evidence that dowsing doesn't work. Nothing you try works, but nothing changes your mind.
So now you come up with a "proof" that you admit cannot be tested without "backers". And of course, you are not likely to get JREF to agree to a test that takes 70 days. You are simply padding your excuses with things that will make it impossible for you to be tested.
Can you possibly explain why you can't find a big lump of gold a few inches away in an area which you have dowsed and found "clean"? No, you cannot. You will make up some story about "natural conditions" to cover for your inability to find gold under the most simple and direct situations. Remember when we suggested that you hang a pendulum of gold and try to make it swing by pointing your dowsing rod at it? That failed too, and you made up some wild tale about forces that only act in one direction.
I won't say you're a fraud, because I think you really do believe that dowsing works. But you are obviously delusional, because no evidence will convince you that you are wrong. And that's too bad, because you seem to be a nice guy. It is a shame to see you wasting your time on this irrational and unproven belief.
By the way, did you find that mother lode that you were certain was just around the bend?
And I wouldn't be to gleeful about losing all that weight either. I remember that picture of you when you dowsed (unsuccessfully) for Randi, and you appeard to be rather slim already. Losing weight is not always a good thing. When is the last time you went to see a doctor?
So...
you've lost a helluva lot more weight than you've found, huh?
I wasn't mining for fat. I was mining to lose the fat.
I'm fine Tricky, if you think I was slim in that photo tell me something how tall are you and what's your weight?
Your always in here, on the forum, you must sit a lot?
I found that the doctors are right about height and weight factors.
I'll try to get some pictures on here as soon as I can figure out how to put them on here. They use to have a button on here for that? Don’t know where it went.
laywig asked,
I did, there was a good chance that I wouldn't detect the deeper stuff as it was very light and in small amounts, there is, what I conclude now is there is no possibility of neutral ground.
After all it is a metal-based planet.
The only possibility is targets that can over ride the metals in the ground.
And yes if I dowse I pick it all up deep and the shallow metals.
The metal detector was correct, but placement of the target and picking up the reaction told me more than I needed or wanted.
The only thing that can over ride that reaction from what I have seen are ballast ether on the ground or a table or overhead possibly transformers.
I got the idea for this when I took the test at the jref, office.
As I passed under them the stick went for them instead of the target. At that point it was defeating gravity you could say, and the metal detecting. The gold in the stick is non magnetic.
James witnessed that.
I don’t plan on failing again if I take the test again.
If this is to be proved what I need is something that is stronger than all E.M.Is.
Ballasts are the only thing that makes the dowsing stick point up and away from the targets, after all it's for a million dollars or ridicule, so I’m making sure. Read what I stated earlier. Eleven good hits and eight bad.
There is no doubt in my mind that it works in the field I have proved it to my self, after all my life and health were on the line, can't eat if you can't find the gold for money. It was a good exercise in surviving.
I got to try buffalo meat that was different.
That should answer FFed also.
Patents my friends.
I have to get more than 50% correct or it proves only random chance.
Three miners have had me teach them what I know, they though that I would find nothing where I had placed my dredge, and because of the history of the area.
It’s pretty sparse on free ground, to get pounds you have to go to privet property.
I still think it's funny - dredge (Dr. Edge)
L.M.A.O.
BillyJoe,askes,
L.M.A.O. I never seen that!
Because it all goes through the dredge, it collects any thing that’s metal and holds it in the riffles.
The river or creeks do the same thing Iron, Lead, Gold, all collect together in cracks or pockets.
GzuzKryztaskes,
I'm glad you're alright. [/quote]
Just been experimenting in the field, trying to figure out why it works one way but not the other, it simply amazes me I can find the stuff so easily but when I’m tested or try to test it doesn’t work very well at all.
After 200 years of miners stripping the creek it is very hard to find
I have to find a target that’s stronger than any thing else in the ground we’ll see, I’ll let you know how the ballasts work, after all after a series of tests with those I’ll be out of ideas on how it can be proven.
you've lost a helluva lot more weight than you've found, huh?
I wasn't mining for fat. I was mining to lose the fat.
I'm fine Tricky, if you think I was slim in that photo tell me something how tall are you and what's your weight?
Your always in here, on the forum, you must sit a lot?
I found that the doctors are right about height and weight factors.
I'll try to get some pictures on here as soon as I can figure out how to put them on here. They use to have a button on here for that? Don’t know where it went.
laywig asked,
It was for both open and closed.
I did, there was a good chance that I wouldn't detect the deeper stuff as it was very light and in small amounts, there is, what I conclude now is there is no possibility of neutral ground.
After all it is a metal-based planet.
The only possibility is targets that can over ride the metals in the ground.
And yes if I dowse I pick it all up deep and the shallow metals.
The metal detector was correct, but placement of the target and picking up the reaction told me more than I needed or wanted.
The only thing that can over ride that reaction from what I have seen are ballast ether on the ground or a table or overhead possibly transformers.
I got the idea for this when I took the test at the jref, office.
As I passed under them the stick went for them instead of the target. At that point it was defeating gravity you could say, and the metal detecting. The gold in the stick is non magnetic.
James witnessed that.
I don’t plan on failing again if I take the test again.
If this is to be proved what I need is something that is stronger than all E.M.Is.
Ballasts are the only thing that makes the dowsing stick point up and away from the targets, after all it's for a million dollars or ridicule, so I’m making sure. Read what I stated earlier. Eleven good hits and eight bad.
There is no doubt in my mind that it works in the field I have proved it to my self, after all my life and health were on the line, can't eat if you can't find the gold for money. It was a good exercise in surviving.
I got to try buffalo meat that was different.
That should answer FFed also.
Patents my friends.
I have to get more than 50% correct or it proves only random chance.
Three miners have had me teach them what I know, they though that I would find nothing where I had placed my dredge, and because of the history of the area.
It’s pretty sparse on free ground, to get pounds you have to go to privet property.
I still think it's funny - dredge (Dr. Edge)
L.M.A.O.
BillyJoe,askes,
L.M.A.O. I never seen that!
Because it all goes through the dredge, it collects any thing that’s metal and holds it in the riffles.
The river or creeks do the same thing Iron, Lead, Gold, all collect together in cracks or pockets.
GzuzKryztaskes,
I'm glad you're alright. [/quote]
Just been experimenting in the field, trying to figure out why it works one way but not the other, it simply amazes me I can find the stuff so easily but when I’m tested or try to test it doesn’t work very well at all.
After 200 years of miners stripping the creek it is very hard to find
I have to find a target that’s stronger than any thing else in the ground we’ll see, I’ll let you know how the ballasts work, after all after a series of tests with those I’ll be out of ideas on how it can be proven.
Psiload
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Really? I was under the impression that you were mining to find gold.
Here's a curious fact... even if you did find more gold than you lost weight, say 35 lbs. of the stuff... at current gold prices, you still would have earned just about one third of what you could earn if you claimed Randi's prize.
Stick that in your sluice and dredge it.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
If I had a technique to earn $300,000 I would take it. Treat it as a warm up for the $1m prize.
On second thoughts I thought gold was worth heaps more.
On second thoughts I thought gold was worth heaps more.
NoZed Avenger
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