Brian-M
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Just for those who joined the thread late, I've made up a brief collection of posts to read to catch up. (Click on the arrow next to the poster's name.)
And... here are my fumbling attempts to explain my newfound understanding...
This is a wind powered craft that purports to travel directly down wind faster than the wind powering it.
@my wan
Having though it over, I would expect that efficiency alone would prevent the vehicle from reaching, let alone exceeding, the wind.
The concept of the propeller vanes 'tacking' is interesting.
Did anyone notice that the propeller rotates the way a plane propeller rotates, and not like a generator?
Perhaps the videos are red herrings, but this is the part that I don't understand.
Okay, I have now come up with a model of a device similar to the OP
A vehicle has a 1:1 wheel/fan ratio ,and travels approaching windspeed x.
Okay, here's my final analysis of the device in the OP.
George Sychrovsky does not suggest cheating.
You're kidding - right?
Of course. The propeller creates drag, which also restrains the device.
This is at the root of the debate spork and I had on physicsforums.
J13, I think we are almostin agreement, but not that the actual device will work.
Not completely equivalent for the reasons I originally specified on physicsforums.
Traveling upwind is possible, and that is effectively traveling downstream faster than the water
As this is an educational forum, I'll try and offer something useful to those who have a hard time wrapping their minds around the OP device, but are willing to give it a try.
It doesn't slow it down, it only slows down how fast it accelerates until the wind is resistance gets so high it can't accelerate anymore.
Yes, the downwind component can be 3X or more the wind speed. There is plenty of GPS data to back this up.
Yes, this is exactly like my starting point.
Well, it is undeniable that physics is empirical, but that is not the same as simple trial and error, or dare I say it, speculation.
I'm glad to finally get any sort of clarification. Now take a close look at this sentence:
Good point. I'll use this sentence of yours to represent what you said:
You say you'd expect to get the same results, but you describe different results than we consistently get.
Yes, and so does the speed of the air that the propeller pushes back.
Yes, except that the wind is not what's turning the prop.
Wait... I originally thought this device was supposed to be powered by the wind turning the propeller, like a windmill.
This thing, if it works, is certainly not a perpetual motion machine.
This is an absolute train wreck.
And... here are my fumbling attempts to explain my newfound understanding...
I think I owe apologies all around. After thinking about what was happening in the video and the forces involved, I realized where I was going wrong in my mind.
I thought the same thing too.
It sounds like it, but you can add up an infinite series of numbers which never pass a fixed limit.
There are several factors which affect the "gearing",
Sorry... I was trying to explain to Humber
That's sort of how I looked at it when I joined this thread, but I've had to change my mind since.

