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Dover Penn ID trial

Ok, so it turns out that Sternberg (poor little victim of all those nasty scientists) is a Fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design ... along with Behe, Dembski and others whose names you will probably recognise.

Barbara Bradley Hagerty (author of the NPR story) is the NPR's religion correspondent and turns out to be a member of the World Journalism Institute

Have you heard of the "World Journalism Institute"? Probably not. It's an organization of journalists committed to helping members "accurately" report "the work of God in today's world." In other words, they are committed to reporting events from a conservative, evangelical Christian perspective.

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What was that again about the "liberal media elite" and how the NPR is a bastion of "liberal news coverage" that fails to give adequate consideration to conservatives - especially to conservative religion? One of the members of the WJI is Barbara Bradley Hagerty, NPR's religion correspondent. Curious.
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Quote taken from -
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/2004_03.htm?iam=dpile_100 (ETA - the post marked 09:00)

Explains a lot methinks.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9995578/
Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting “intelligent design” and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
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*cough* I thought ID "was science" *cough*

So, here we have IDiots contradicting themselves again. *ID is science* they try to tell us.

Then when they get mad, they forget their little mantra.

Oh, and somehow natural disasters are punishments for us puny mortals by this "loving god".
 
Melendwyr said:
I think it's time to start writing letters to NPR.
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Make sure you read my second link there if you're steamed. It'll put you into the red.

As managing editor it was my prerogative to choose the editor who would work directly on the paper, and as I was best qualified among the editors I chose myself...
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KingMerv00 said:
%&#@!

You know, of all of the IDers I think Behe bothers me the most. Unlike alot of them *cough* HOVIND *cough* the man has a real scientific education yet the scientific method is lost on him.
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I read somewhere, I think in the Dover trial transcripts, that Behe has sold more than 400,000 copies of his Black Box book. Therefore ID = serious financial gain. The ID leaders all seem to be quite well off.
 
I had wondered why the NPR stories kept referring to the controversy over "the origins of life". Now I know: NPR's religion correspondent is a member of an organization specifically dedicated to spreading Christian Fundamentalism through the mass media.

Expecting a religion correspondent to lack religious opinions is unreasonable, but a certain amount of dispassionate objectivity is called for. How is actively trying to promulgate the "Christian viewpoint" conducive to that requirement?!
 
fishbob said:
I read somewhere, I think in the Dover trial transcripts, that Behe has sold more than 400,000 copies of his Black Box book. Therefore ID = serious financial gain. The ID leaders all seem to be quite well off.
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Are you suggesting that he doesn't believe what he is saying? Behe is in it for the bling?
 
KingMerv00 said:
Are you suggesting that he doesn't believe what he is saying? Behe is in it for the bling?
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If by "bling" you are including "power", yes, absolutely.

The Discovery Institute wants nothing less than a complete theocratic state with themselves as the head.
 
tsg said:
The Discovery Institute wants nothing less than a complete theocratic state with themselves as the head.
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If I hadn't read them saying essentially just that myself, you'd sound like a conspiracy nut.

And just to go back over our recent conversation topics, we've been discussing a journal editor that acted questionably in order to push through a flawed intelligent design article because he sympathized with their cause, and we've also been discussing a journalist who covered the journal editor's story in an biased way because she also sympathizes with the intelligent design cause. Both are members of religious organizations that publicly endorse intelligent design. Both actions were in some way furthered by government actions and political appointments. The organizations these folks belong to are funded by and allied with fundamentalist religious groups. All involved have the same goal: keeping unpleasant scientific facts from a generation of children.

Why do people invent conspiracy theories? I find reality has enough intrigue...
 
ETA: I misread your post (I thought you were accusing me of being a conspiracy nut), but I'll leave it anyway since I think it's important for people to know exactly where ID is coming from and so I can back up my own claim.

delphi_ote said:
If I hadn't read them saying essentially just that myself, you'd sound like a conspiracy nut.

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Why do people invent conspiracy theories? I find reality has enough intrigue...
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Don't take my word for it. They've said so themselves. Look here and make up your own mind.

A few choice quotes:

Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies.
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From their "Five Year Strategic Plan Summary":
The social consequences of materialism have been devastating. As symptoms, those consequences are certainly worth treating. However, we are convinced that in order to defeat materialism, we must cut it off at its source. That source is scientific materialism. This is precisely our strategy.
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Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.
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From their "Governing Goals":
To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies. [emphasis mine]
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And from their "Twenty Year Goals"
To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life. [emphasis mine]
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And this gem from their "Five Year Objectives":
Design becomes a key concept in the social sciences Legal reform movements base legislative proposals on design theory. [emphasis mine]
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Pay particular attention to that last one. They want laws to be based on Intelligent Design, a religious view, for which they are the primary source of "research" . That is a theocratic state with them in control. This is no conspiracy theory, these are their own words.
 
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bighairygoat said:
Ok, so it turns out that Sternberg (poor little victim of all those nasty scientists) is a Fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design ... along with Behe, Dembski and others whose names you will probably recognise.
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what is the ISCID? Does it have an avowedly anti-evolutionary or pro-ID agenda?
 
JamesM said:
what is the ISCID? Does it have an avowedly anti-evolutionary or pro-ID agenda?
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Take a look at the website that delphi_ote linked. Fascinating. Very carefully does not mention anything that would allow one to pin them down in such a category...until you look at the Journal. Then it is crystal clear--this is an intelligent-design group. Not only are the usual suspects there, writing the usual things, but lesser players are contributing additional ID materials.

So even though their stated purpose is to provide "a forum for free and uncensored inquiry into complex systems", their de facto purpose is to provide a forum for Intelligent Design.
 
Mercutio said:
look at the Journal. Then it is crystal clear--this is an intelligent-design group.
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Wow, you're right. I hadn't looked at the journals.

I just noticed Henry Schaefer's name on the list of ISCID fellows. And he's a fellow of the Discovery Institute, too. He is a very very big noise indeed in quantum chemistry. I hadn't realised he was an IDer.
 
Mercutio said:
So even though their stated purpose is to provide "a forum for free and uncensored inquiry into complex systems", their de facto purpose is to provide a forum for Intelligent Design.
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And by "free and uncensored", they mean "will tolerate whatever pro-ID arguments are put there and otherwise ignore modern biology".
 
delphi_ote said:
Brilliant!

You just need to add the occational Greek in the background yelling "We're Greeks! We're Greeks!" while the lead Greek tries to keep them quiet.
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I hope the judge has read Pat Robertson's remarks on the subject. I should think they'd help him make his mind up.

My little playlet continues...

Act II

Enter Pat Robertson.

PR: We're GREEKS, I tell you, GREEKS! We like retsina, sodomy, and right angled triangles!

[Sings]:

Se gnoriso apo tin kopsi,
Tou spathiou tin tromeri,
Se gnoriso apo tin opsi,
Pou me via metra tin yi.
Ap' ta kokala vialmeni,
Ton Ellinon ta iera,
Ke san prota andriomeni,
Haire, o haire, Eleftheria!

I AM SO F***ING GREEK THAT IF YOU LOOK UNDER "GREEK" IN THE DICTIONARY THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF ME TALKING ABOUT PHILOSOPHY AND BUGGERING A SLAVE BOY! Oh, and Zeus will use his magical powers to smite everyone who rejects our gift of a wooden horse.
 
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