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TheGrunion said:
No, I haven't read Without Precedent. I consider your recommendation to read it to be a pretty fair one.

Then read it.

With all of that out of the way:

What government officials and employees to you believe should be held accountable?

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What evidence of their wrongdoings do you have to offer?

Are you serious? Even if you work with the official story, the President of the United States and his cabinet are charged with protecting the population of this country. (Please, again, remember that I am working off the idea that the 9/11 Commission report is accurate which I do not feel that it is), some evidence would be those holes in the ground where buildings and people once stood. Or that chunk that came out of the pentagon. Or that plane that crashed in PA, regardless of how we think it crashed.
Our leaders should not be excused from being reprimanded for their incompletence, that's not how a democracy works. The 9/11 Commission report basically says, "someone dropped the ball. but we don't want to look at who dropped it. we want to look at how it looked when it dropped and what kind of sound it made when it bounced off the ground."

What do you propose be the punishment of those that failed us in your eyes?

I dunno, impeachment perhaps. Some jailtime and the American people's ability to select new leaders who we feel are more compentent. Unless you feel comfortable under the Bush administration that is.

If you can't provide a meaningful answer to all three of the above questions, please don't waste my time answering any of them.
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I think my reply was frankly more than you could have hoped for. So I'm pretty ok with it.
 
Enlightenment said:
Thanks Oliver. Now is it just me, or does anybody think they might see the top of the tail fin behind the roof just before the explosion? Or is that just traffic on the highway in the background?
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You see the tail but the hotel was on the wrong side of the pentagon.
 
StoneWT said:
Hierosis is simply another undercover conspiracy troll. He may have watched a couple of conspiracy videos and read a book or two.

He complains about a lack of punishment for those accountable. He fails to identify those responsible, explain why they're responsible, and define the punishment.

This is all he has: innuendo and answering a response to a statement/question he raised with another question.

Honestly, you have no business crusading for 9/11 TWOOF if you haven't even taken the time to read the 9/11 Report. How can you attack something if you don't have the foggiest notion as to what is?
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Is this for real?
 
Hierosis said:
I think my reply was frankly more than you could have hoped for. So I'm pretty ok with it.
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Don't pat yourself on the back.....it was nothing to be proud of.

Using your logic, I suppose you believe that we should start firing and jailing law enforcement every time a crime is committed.

And you failed to provide any evidence to support your assertions. I asked for evidence of their wrongdoings. So lets see it.
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
Skavy, so how bout that plane in the video?

Good stuff huh?
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So it's back to no plane again? Even though the highway blocks the view of The Pentegon? How would anyone see it... unless it "pulled up"? :rolleyes:
 
StoneWT said:
I think he is here for a game of wits. Constantly trying to force the burden of proof onto people attempting to help him when he brought up an issue isn't a good sign.

SkepticFoSho' is bragging about the work he did. It's all about tooting your own horn.
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A game of wits? Is that what you call it when someone comes on here with an opinion that differs from yours?
 
Abbyas said:
Laughed out loud on that one.
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Me too. We couldn't invent a sillier lackwit if we tried. The fact that he actually believes that aircraft contrails are evidence of a government mind-control program is just icing on the cake.
 
"Paul Thompson said that his role is "neutral, to compile information," but charged that the 9/11 Commission Report was a "white wash and a cover up." He pointed to the Commission's assertion that "no foreign government was involved" but it buried contrary information. And NORAD officials testified under oath regarding the timeline, which was contradicted by the Commission's new timeline, and Thompson asked, "Why weren't these NORAD officials charged with perjury?" Condoleezza Rice also testified under oath and should have been charged with perjury for her lies about the Presidential Daily Briefing of August 6, 2001, Thompson charged."

http://www.truthemergency.us/pages/Commentary.htm
 
Hierosis said:
A game of wits? Is that what you call it when someone comes on here with an opinion that differs from yours?
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Opinions are fine, but you came here with a complaint that no one had been held accountable. We asked who you think should be held accountable and how. If you think that's an unreasonable question, please explain. If it is a reasonable question but you cannot answer it, your argument needs refining. It's your complaint. What would you like to see done?
 
the only people to blame here are those who voted for the elected officials for the last 12 years...why dont we blame all registered voters?
 
Hierosis said:
I would assume that your theory is close to the official version, if not identical. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Then it wouldn't be my theory, would it? I go with the evidence. That's all.
 
All in all, I think this is where the 9/11 debate should be. Instead of these idiotic controlled-demolitions-no-plane BS theories, there are important questions about government failures that need to be adressed so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

Of course it will happen again, no matter what we do, the terrorists will somehow find a defect in the security that they can take advantage of. But at least with some constructive debate about the US's own failures, something positive can come out of it.

I get the feeling the Bush administration felt embarrassed about its incompetence and corruption, and wanted to swipe it under the rug. That to me is irresponsible. As hierosis said, these people are supposed to protect their citizens, it's their job.
 
Gravy said:
Opinions are fine, but you came here with a complaint that no one had been held accountable. We asked who you think should be held accountable and how. If you think that's an unreasonable question, please explain. If it is a reasonable question but you cannot answer it, your argument needs refining. It's your complaint. What would you like to see done?
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Ok, I'm not going to get into a battle of semantics with you on a message board. You're clearly missing my point, and that's ok. You can fire back anyway you choose and call this a copout, but I'm not going to run in circles with you.
 
He asked you a direct question. Don't be a wanker, to get to the next level you have to answer it.

Who should be charged, why and how?
 
Hierosis said:
Ok, I'm not going to get into a battle of semantics with you on a message board. You're clearly missing my point, and that's ok. You can fire back anyway you choose and call this a copout, but I'm not going to run in circles with you.
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i dont see how he is running circles.

YOU made assetion A - the claim that there should someone held responsible for all the crap that happened up to 911 and after 9/11
Gravy asked whom do you think should be held responsible

You gave no answer

What? You dont know how to give a simple answer to a simple question?
 
Dazed said:
Please see my post.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2143596&postcount=119
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I read them both.

You do realize that the second one is an Op-Ed piece, right.

I've consulted to clients at the federal, state, and local levels. I've seen inefficiency, laziness, and incompetence in all three, as well as the private sector. I don't find this surprising in the least.

I agree that this sort of thing is very unfortunate.

If you have a method to completely eradicate this sort of thing, you should be the CEO of a very large corporation. Let me know when that happens because I'll sink every last penny that I have into your stock.
 
Pardalis said:
All in all, I think this is where the 9/11 debate should be. Instead of these idiotic controlled-demolitions-no-plane BS theories, there are important questions about government failures that need to be adressed so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

Of course it will happen again, no matter what we do, the terrorists will somehow find a defect in the security that they can take advantage of. But at least with some constructive debate about the US's own failures, something positive can come out of it.

I get the feeling the Bush administration felt embarrassed about its incompetence and corruption, and wanted to swipe it under the rug. That to me is irresponsible. As hierosis said, these people are supposed to protect their citizens, it's their job.
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Well, while we may disagree overall, I appreciate that you recognize a good debate. I wasn't trying to come here and throw outrageous theories at people. I wanted to have a fact conversation about one of the greatest tragedies in our history.

With that said, I'm off to bed.
 
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