Don Piper - 90 Minutes In Heaven

[chillzero]

From Mr. Piper's web site:

How To Go To Heaven
The vast majority of people living today believe that there is another place beyond this world. There is. Don Piper experienced it.

In his book 90 Minutes in Heaven, Don made a decision to take a different route home from a church growth conference that he attended in 1989. It didn't seem like an important choice at the time, but it turned out to be one that changed his life. Waiting down an East Texas highway on his way back to Houston was a large truck that took his life.

In retrospect, the decision to take a different route might appear to be a crucial one. But the most important decision in Don's life occurred NOT on his drive home but when he accepted Christ as Lord at the age of sixteen. Deciding to accept Christ meant Don had an eternal home in Heaven no matter when he died. Acknowledging Christ as Savior guarantees that you will spend eternity with Him.

Hang on .... can't they even make their minds up in the blurb what the 'most important' event was? Good grief.

The guy doesn't even remember the accident, and, as it was stated before, it was years after the fact when he wrote the book, so it's been confirmed that he has a faulty memory of the indecent. So how could this possibly be true?

But then the accident wasn't the actual most important event anyway ... or something.

 

[tsig]

I have read this book and I believe this really did happen to Mr.Piper.

I also believe God can do anything in a persons life, unlike many of you here on this board. Scripture even tells us with God all things are possibe!

Just like they are without god.

 

[tsig]

If Jesus could resurrect people like Lazerus from the dead then I think he can repair anything that was damaged because of the trauma of death. Many people have claimed to be resurrected after death, why is that so hard for people to believe? God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!

Except forgive people who break the rules. Those he has to punish.

 

[ExMinister]

Awhile back I sat in Barnes & Noble and skimmed through Heaven is Real, Piper's second book. He maintained throughout the book that the only way to get to heaven (and avoid hell) is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

All I could think of is how many people would read that who had lost loved ones who hadn't done this, and how much pain and worry that would cause.

How horrible to write something so capable of compounding another's grief.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Awhile back I sat in Barnes & Noble and skimmed through Heaven is Real, Piper's second book. He maintained throughout the book that the only way to get to heaven (and avoid hell) is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

All I could think of is how many people would read that who had lost loved ones who hadn't done this, and how much pain and worry that would cause.

How horrible to write something so capable of compounding another's grief.

As is the thought of the universe being controlled by a being who is so depressingly arbitrary in his judgements.

It's as if he were to say, "Sorry, anyone who hasn't tried raw oysters can't get in."

Sure, you could have been warned that you had to try raw oysters, but how would you know the people telling you this aren't crazy?

 

[blue sock monkey]

"God works in mysterious, inefficient, and breathtakingly cruel ways."
--Penn Jillette

 

[CurtC]

Then why won't God heal amputees?

Because God hates amputees, of course.

 

[bobcarp]

If Jesus could resurrect people like Lazerus from the dead then I think he can repair anything that was damaged because of the trauma of death. Many people have claimed to be resurrected after death, why is that so hard for people to believe? God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!

Many people claim to be taken aboard alien spacecraft. Many people claim to have been touched by the grace of Allah, Zeus, Hindu god, et al. So I guess that makes it true. Many people claim to have been helped by Astrology; I guess that's true too. Many people claim that Nostradamus has made accurate predictions as to the future. Why is it so hard for you to believe that people make up gods? Why is it so hard for you to examine history and learn that humans make claims that aren't true? He, or she, who doesn't learn from history is damned to repeat it.

 

[JFrankA]

Many people claim to be taken aboard alien spacecraft. Many people claim to have been touched by the grace of Allah, Zeus, Hindu god, et al. So I guess that makes it true.

...I've been touched by Tera Patrick. In fact, she hugged me.

I find that far more uplifting and fufilling that any god can do....

 

[Tricky]

God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!

Apparently not, because I'm sure He'd shut you up if he could, considering the damage you're doing to His name.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Apparently not, because I'm sure He'd shut you up if he could, considering the damage you're doing to His name.

Wait, I get moderated for calling a troll a troll, but you don't get moderated for this?

Mind you, I agree with you.

 

[edge]

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I have read this book and I believe this really did happen to Mr.Piper.

I can only vouch for myself and say, that these things are real and this is a spiritual world and I can also vouch for darkness on that side, it’s there waiting for you.
The darkness is calming at the moment of your death or dying, it’s purpose is, to calm you and your mind at the time of death, at the point of realization that you are dying, because it is scary no doubt about it.


Falling into darkness won't matter, falling into the light will, those are the choices and on this side is where we make our decisions on belief and faith.
I think that forgiveness can be achieved even on that side and that God is more forgiving than he lets on through biblical writings.

I base that on one statement, So that all can be saved....

But there are defiantly limits set in place for the really bad.
All one can do is stay in certain parameters and pray.

We are all going back to where we came from and that is to the light of God and God specifically, and if that one statement is true then it all is a test and Kathy is right when she says God can do anything because maybe, we are all there before birth and all there after death.

This means in general there is no death.
This can also mean that before we are born that we are told what will happen to us…. the reason we won’t remember what was before our births, the only thing I can figure out is…so we can develop faith and for God through our free will know our true hearts.


I could give you one hell of a scenario but you would call it special pleading so I won’t.

Let me just say that it is possible that we are given some information before birth about how long we will live and in which way we will die, a choice in circumstances and length of time on earth and in the test knowing where and under what circumstances we are going to be born into.

Then again it could be nothing but darkness.
Which can’t be true either and you must go there to get there so why would you pass to a universe of darkness from one of light?

 

[ExMinister]

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I can only vouch for myself and say, that these things are real and this is a spiritual world and I can also vouch for darkness on that side, it’s there waiting for you.
The darkness is calming at the moment of your death or dying, it’s purpose is, to calm you and your mind at the time of death, at the point of realization that you are dying, because it is scary no doubt about it.


Falling into darkness won't matter, falling into the light will, those are the choices and on this side is where we make our decisions on belief and faith.
I think that forgiveness can be achieved even on that side and that God is more forgiving than he lets on through biblical writings.

I base that on one statement, So that all can be saved....

But there are defiantly limits set in place for the really bad.
All one can do is stay in certain parameters and pray.

We are all going back to where we came from and that is to the light of God and God specifically, and if that one statement is true then it all is a test and Kathy is right when she says God can do anything because maybe, we are all there before birth and all there after death.

This means in general there is no death.
This can also mean that before we are born that we are told what will happen to us…. the reason we won’t remember what was before our births, the only thing I can figure out is…so we can develop faith and for God through our free will know our true hearts.


I could give you one hell of a scenario but you would call it special pleading so I won’t.

Let me just say that it is possible that we are given some information before birth about how long we will live and in which way we will die, a choice in circumstances and length of time on earth and in the test knowing where and under what circumstances we are going to be born into.

Then again it could be nothing but darkness.
Which can’t be true either and you must go there to get there so why would you pass to a universe of darkness from one of light?

Special pleading or not, this might make more sense if you did. Darkness is good, darkness is bad? I'm not sure what you mean.

Sure your scenario is possible, but so are lots of other things.

I don't understand the last paragraph at all, or the question.

 

[edge]

ExMinister say:
Sure your scenario is possible, but so are lots of other things.

I don't understand the last paragraph at all, or the question.

Then again it could be nothing but darkness.
Which can’t be true either and you must go there to get there so why would you pass to a universe of darkness from one of light?

We live in a universe of star light skeptics believe that when we die there is nothing but darkness but we are told that Gods light is there waiting on the other side and all questions will be answered.
Even in our natural surroundings at night we are continuously lighting our way in the night to move forward in our travels.

We are moving forward in time, we are allowed time to learn how we are flawed with out Gods’ light guiding our way allowing us to keep moving forward.
Motion is the key to everything IMHO, so in the darkness do you move forward if you can’t see?

 

[JFrankA]

We live in a universe of star light skeptics believe that when we die there is nothing but darkness but we are told that Gods light is there waiting on the other side and all questions will be answered.
Even in our natural surroundings at night we are continuously lighting our way in the night to move forward in our travels.

We are moving forward in time, we are allowed time to learn how we are flawed with out Gods’ light guiding our way allowing us to keep moving forward.
Motion is the key to everything IMHO, so in the darkness do you move forward if you can’t see?

Well... when you are alive it is possible to move around in darkness....your toes may not like it, but it is possible.

When you're dead, you don't move. Whether the place is dark or brightly lit.

I'm sorry, you are making no sense to me either.....

 

[edge]

The answer to Suffering, from a different perspctive.

So we all have power to create and live our lives as we see proper or rebel and do wrong and in some cases extremely wrong.

So from a perspective of no time on that other side knowing what it is like down here, souls might sit there and decide how much time they need before death to prove themselves.
It might be voluntary or it might be a choice that God makes with you or maybe with out.
At any rate the soul would be prepped in advance and told certain things of the upcoming test the decision might be left to them, (the Soul).

So the conversation might go like this, “ God gathers a certain amount of spirits/souls and says, “ I have gathered you here to ask for volunteers I have a position that needs filling and this is what will happen to you, I have chosen you amongst the many because I know that each of you can handle this assignment and you will be just fine after freewill is exercised by the soul/souls that are in the process of deciding between right and wrong chooses”.


So when you say how about the deaths of souls early in life by whatever events they will encounter, they may have accepted that life that will end in a short time because God isn’t testing them as much… but rather those left behind, the mother the father, those that are doing the crimes and all those that blame God for a souls freewill to commit the crime, they are being tested too.
Those souls know in advance that they are going to face the most horrific events they will ever face and that their memories will be wiped clean before that experience, they will be the strongest of souls they will not falter even under those conditions and they are allowed to fill those positions because God knows they will not falter in their belief, which allows them an immediate entry into Heaven; back in the presences of Gods light, they may even get another chance down here if they want.

Whether they choose to maybe to come back or not, they can move even farther forward on that side towards what we are destined for.

 

[edge]

Well... when you are alive it is possible to move around in darkness....your toes may not like it, but it is possible.

When you're dead, you don't move. Whether the place is dark or brightly lit.

I'm sorry, you are making no sense to me either.....

Only because you have made up your mind.

 

[JFrankA]

Only because you have made up your mind.

Well, it seems to me that you've made up your mind that I've made up my mind. And if that is so, then maybe you've made up your mind as well, but that is just a speculation. I haven't decided.

 

[edge]

Well, it seems to me that you've made up your mind that I've made up my mind. And if that is so, then maybe you've made up your mind as well, but that is just a speculation. I haven't decided.

If God is not un-caring then I would think the senerio would be like I discribed and I really don't know if you have made up your mind but even I question and this is the only way I can see that question being ansewered from a beliver perspective.

Have at it, I am.

 

[Marduk]

Wait, I get moderated for calling a troll a troll, but you don't get moderated for this?

Mind you, I agree with you.

you got moderated because you broke the forum rules, not for any other reason
or is this another one of those "the mods have an agenda" whines ?
doesn't matter, as you have just broken the rules again in exactly the same manner I have again reported your post to the mod team
thanks for playing