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Doing the least to save your life...

Family members had cancer over the last few years.

each did the chemo/radio thing, and each beat it. In one case the detection was very late and surgury was required. (Now, in NZ surgury for removing cancer is on the public purse: no cost. Same with the reconstruction later.)

However - one just did the old "I trust science" bit - recovery went very well and there were almost no side effects from the chemo.

The other didn't quite trust the doctors. Did the standard treatment anyway, but also did a number of self-nurchuring things too - took a homeopathic thing (I checked that it didn't actually do damage) and went to regular prayer meetings. This helped her to cope with the attitude. Her recovery was tougher, and she may have given up if deprived of the props.

However - when I went to replenish the homeopathy stuff, I replaced it with fennel and sugar. It was cheaper, and had the same effect. (i.e. none - beyond the feeling of doing something oneself.)

This sort of thing was encouraged - on the understanding that it did not interfere with the hospital treatment.

Our attitude to our illness (a phrase that can still ern you a violent episode because of it's misuse) is important to our recovery. However, it won't make you better. It won't fix something broke.

Not all placebos are created equal - if each is as good as another, and they make you feel better, then pick the cheap one.

Oh - hoping an illness will just go away (imagining etc) will not work, but the illness can still go away all by itself. It is in the nature of diseases that they will sometimes just burn out, sometimes go into remission.

Another misleading effect is that doctors are usually pessimistic in their prognosis where potentially fatal diseases are concerned. If they say you'll have 6 months to live and you hang on for 12, that's good. If they say you'll live 12 months but you only made 11.5, that may be grounds for a lawsuit...

In general, it is true if it stays true even when you stop believing in it.
 
You lost a post of mine in the process
I am PMing you in regards to this, see what we can do. As the sequence stands in 'Abandon', it appears that there is no lost post?

Edited to add - no lost post confirmed. :)

Please, if any moves in future result in lost posts or suspected lost posts for anyone at all, please indicate in the Forum management area? That way we can address it quicker, as I didn't see this for some time. Thanks. :)
 
Kiless,
Thank you very much for pointing out that my post was not where I thought it was. I sooo apologize for making you do unneeded work.:blush: :footinmou I am still slapping myself upside the head for doing that.
Thanks for all your efforts

:th:



:lfault
not really but everyone else blames her
 
Well, yes, but be careful. Unlike what the woos claim, it's not possible to "defeat" a cancer just by wanting to or by having a positive attitude. What you mean is of course "take every rational treatment offered to you by the specialists in charge of your case", but be careful of sounding as if this is a "self-empowerment" plan.

Rolfe.
 
Sorry I haven't been around, fowlsound. Hopefully, you won't be needing your titanium superpowers. I'll be digging my fingers into my temples, trying to access any latent psychic powers I might happen to have.

But until they show up, stick with your doctors' and nurses' sexy, wrinkly brains, because I'm just trying to be humorously insane. Keep your spirits up... that is, if the doc'll let you have alcohol.
 
I chucked your excellent paper up on my webpage too. It has low bandwidth, so don't go telling millions of people, but if someone comes across it, they may just start to think.
 
I chucked your excellent paper up on my webpage too. It has low bandwidth, so don't go telling millions of people, but if someone comes across it, they may just start to think.



Hey thanks Dave!

I also have a blog about my experiences. I'm working to put up all I can about my journey through cancer.

www.fowlsound.com/blog

:)
 
But for one to sort thru what is quackery and what isn't, is the $64,000 question....


or eat weiners with nirtrates/nitrites in them

Sorry for coming late to the party, but this is one of my peeves. Yes, nitrates/nitrites are added to cured meats, so they get listed on the package. But what about all the foods that include nitrates/nitrites naturally so they don't have them listed on the labels (most don't even have labels). Yes, I am talking about vegetables... Estimates are that 80-90% of nitrate/nitrite intake comes vegetables and that most vegetarians have a nitrate/nitrite intake 3 to 4 times that of non-vegetarians...

Maybe Googling Mexican homeopathic clinics will yield some good reading.

Try googling nitrates vegetarians...
 
Hey FS, I downloaded your paper and, you will be surprised to hear, I even read it. Spelling problems aside it is a good read. Even, I think, useful. You can guess, I am certain, what my reaction was.

It did occur to me that placebo might be useful if you where to take about 5 pounds of them, put them in a sock, and swing the sock with abandon. Might clear out the room if nothing else.

You da chicken, dude!
 
FS - you have a rival who presumably would regard your titanium superpowers as some form of inferior energy source - Dr Quantum!
(and all for only $69.95!)
 
FS - you have a rival who presumably would regard your titanium superpowers as some form of inferior energy source - Dr Quantum!
(and all for only $69.95!)



Oh boy.

Perhaps I could introduce that guy to the quantum mechanics of my spine of woo doom.
 
Hi fowlsound,

I'm pretty new here and just now got around to reading this thread and your paper.

Just wanted to say that fowlsound, I think YOU f***ing rock.

I'm rootin for ya.

Meg
Puleeze! Yu'll just encourage him!
 
Hi fowlsound,

I'm pretty new here and just now got around to reading this thread and your paper.

Just wanted to say that fowlsound, I think YOU f***ing rock.

I'm rootin for ya.

Meg


Awww shucks...:blush:
 
I'd just like to add my best wishes to those already given by others on the form, Fowlsound. Your account shows bravery and courage, and I applaud you for remaining firm in your acceptance of the scientific method. I am reminded of the John Diamond books, detailing his experiences of cancer, and the similar attitude he took to those offering the 'why wouldn't you try this, what have you got to lose?' attitude.
 
I'd just like to add my best wishes to those already given by others on the form, Fowlsound. Your account shows bravery and courage, and I applaud you for remaining firm in your acceptance of the scientific method. I am reminded of the John Diamond books, detailing his experiences of cancer, and the similar attitude he took to those offering the 'why wouldn't you try this, what have you got to lose?' attitude.



Thank you very much. I am always humbly thankful for best wishes :)
 

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