Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Darat]

That might be on the statute books, but that doesn’t mean it’s enforced. Game of Thrones would have been in a lot of trouble if it were.

Game of Thrones would not be an example as there are no depictions of people meant to be under the age of consent having sex since similar rules exist in most countries they would have wanted to sell the show into. Plus broadcasts, games, and pornography including printed material often have to be altered to meet with Australia's censorship legislation, it's always been and is still the most rigorously enforced in all the anglosphere. It's one area in which the idea of the easy going aussie roughness is a myth. As individuals they may not come off as uptight and as puritanical as their USA cousins, but in actuality via legislation there is a lot less freedom of expression in regard to violence and sexual content.

 

[Darat]

You have a citation?

You really think that pornography is not considered a very personal matter that for whatever reason most people don't want their ID associated with the legal pornography they watch?

 

[theprestige]

You have a citation?

Gestures broadly at contemporary society, where being out and proud about one's porn consumption is definitely not the norm.

 

[Brainster]

Pervasive - absolutely. Normalised - yes, look at one of your ex-presidents, we know he raped one of his wives and raped another woman.

And we know Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick as well, so maybe you have a point here.

As do men - but not sure what your point is with that put to one side? What does it matter which sex/gender does the "slut shaming"?

It seems a bit much to blame "rape culture" for the cattiness of women, but maybe I should concede the point especially since nowadays women can rape other women with their penises.

 

[Poem]

Do you have a citation for "Pornhub clearly wants children to access their material"?

We know from Young's undercover work that Pornhub don't ethically check that performers are of age so why would they care about consumers? Here's their Product Manager Mike Farley (who's been with Pornhub for 11 years) talking about this:
Young:
Do you think there is videos of underage still getting through?
Farley:
Of course. We don't know who that is. We don't have consent of that person, and we are running ads. As a business we are monetizing content that we don't know where this comes from - we don't know who is on the video - we don't know the age of the person on that video.
Young:
Who exploits the loopholes? (ie many videos only show an actor from the neck down)
Farley:
A lot. Like f***ing everybody. Everyone. Because you make a lot of money.
Young:
Do rapists use of it?
Farley:
Of course.

Dillan Rice (script writer):
It's hard - how do you get somebody to prove that they are above age? They can get a fake ID.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I find the insistence that kids need to be shielded from sex (much more than from violence), or their lives will be ruined and they will become sexual deviants ... not to be empirically supported.

That families can even afford a home big enough to have a separate bedroom with a locking door is a relatively new luxury, historically. We can safely assume that kids throughout most of history would be exposed to sex acts more or less on a daily basis. And yet they survived, somehow.

I think it's more to do with the enforced taboo, and the unwillingness of parents to have an open, non-judgemental and calm talk with their kids about sexuality, depending on what the child wants to know and what he/she might have seen and would like to understand, and the availability of pragmatic sexual education.

When you get right down to it, sex is something very silly most of the time, and it would be a good thing for everyone not to take it so seriously.

 

[theprestige]

Lax access controls is not the same as rape culture.

 

[pipelineaudio]

This sounds like the modern urban legends of mass human trafficking (the real kind, not the consensual exchange of money for services between two consenting adults), black mold panic, bath salts, and fentanyl deaths from touching doorknobs

 

[Stout]

It's been a while since we've had a good old fashioned right wing freak-out over porn. Arden Young? She works for Project Veritas and was even instrumental in getting James O'Keef ousted from the group he founded.

Requiring ID to access porn would be a real boost for the VPN business.

 

[Darat]

And we know Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick as well, so maybe you have a point here.



It seems a bit much to blame "rape culture" for the cattiness of women, but maybe I should concede the point especially since nowadays women can rape other women with their penises.

Wasn't aware of that, if it is accurate it is of course another piece of supporting evidence for my claim.

 

[lionking]

Game of Thrones would not be an example as there are no depictions of people meant to be under the age of consent having sex.

That’s not true. Daenerys was 15 in the book, and as the book was a massive best seller, many, if not most, would accept her as a minor.

 

[Darat]

That’s not true. Daenerys was 15 in the book, and as the book was a massive best seller, many, if not most, would accept her as a minor.

Yes it is true. We were talking about performers and what is available on Pornhub, we were not talking about the books. Emilia Clarke was in her mid twenties when she started her performance in GoT, she is not depicted as being visually an underage child by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[PitPat]

Not really sure what we are talking about.

We all live in a rape culture, and always have. Only difference now is who's willing to prosecute and who's willing testify.

There are sad stories all around.

 

[Poem]

Pervasive - absolutely. Normalised - yes, look at one of your ex-presidents, we know he raped one of his wives and raped another woman. Indeed his lawyer when it was revealed he had raped his wife sought to claim that a husband couldn't rape his wife. Spousal rape has only been criminalised in many western countries for a few decades at the most. To expect that normalisation to have dissipated in just a few decades, with many people who were raised in such societies still alive and playing meaningful roles in the governance of societies is to me a very naive view of soceital changes. There is also then the matter of the many different cultures all under the same societal umbrella, many cultures certainly haven't accepted the "modern" view of a woman's agency never mind accepted "modern" concepts of rape.

Could you explain what you mean by emboldened please?

Is your position that the likes of Pornhub are not part of the rape culture you accept exists?

 

[Darat]

Could you explain what you mean by emboldened please?

Is your position that the likes of Pornhub are not part of the rape culture you accept exists?

societal umbrella - most large societies are not mono-cultural, there can be several cultures that all exist together, this is often the case in large nations.

modern women's agency - that women are allowed to make decisions about matters that affect themselves, an example that has already been used in this thread is that a wife can decide whether to have sex with their husband or not.

Pornhub serves content, it may be very badly moderated regrading not verifying that everything it hosts is a legal performance but it is marketed as providing performances. As was mentioned before watching fictional murders does not make you a part of a "murder culture" per se I would say there requires an additional step.

 

[Poem]

You really think that pornography is not considered a very personal matter that for whatever reason most people don't want their ID associated with the legal pornography they watch?

I have no issue with this.

 

[Poem]

societal umbrella - most large societies are not mono-cultural, there can be several cultures that all exist together, this is often the case in large nations.

modern women's agency - that women are allowed to make decisions about matters that affect themselves, an example that has already been used in this thread is that a wife can decide whether to have sex with their husband or not.

Pornhub serves content, it may be very badly moderated regrading not verifying that everything it hosts is a legal performance but it is marketed as providing performances. As was mentioned before watching fictional murders does not make you a part of a "murder culture" per se I would say there requires an additional step.

Thanks.

Why would the MSM (on the whole) ignore the fact that Pornhub's employees have admitted on camera to totally inadequate moderation? As I said, Sound Investigations says they have had MSM coverage but I haven't found any.

Surely, the charges against Pornhub are so serious that any society that actually respected consent and age limits would demand that they be shut down? It's the nature of the supply chain that is so disturbing. As theprestige put it:

The issue here is not fantasy versus reality. The issue is human traffickers fulfilling the demand for fantasy with a supply of nonconsenting or reluctant performers. And Poem is asking to what degree our pornographers and we their customers are morally complicit in this supply chain of rape.

As we speak, traffickers and rapists are profiting from their uploaded Pornhub videos. The Sound Investigations video on Mike Farley went up five months ago.

 

[Poem]

I find the insistence that kids need to be shielded from sex (much more than from violence), or their lives will be ruined and they will become sexual deviants ... not to be empirically supported.

How about this:
Dame Rachel (UK Children's Commissioner) has published a report on the influence of pornography on harmful sexual behaviour among children.

"At the most serious end", children were using the language of violent pornography and it was affecting their behaviour, she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65534354

That families can even afford a home big enough to have a separate bedroom with a locking door is a relatively new luxury, historically. We can safely assume that kids throughout most of history would be exposed to sex acts more or less on a daily basis. And yet they survived, somehow.

I think it's more to do with the enforced taboo, and the unwillingness of parents to have an open, non-judgemental and calm talk with their kids about sexuality, depending on what the child wants to know and what he/she might have seen and would like to understand, and the availability of pragmatic sexual education.

When you get right down to it, sex is something very silly most of the time, and it would be a good thing for everyone not to take it so seriously.

You think glimpsing mum and dad compares with 24/7 anything goes? Seriously?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

How about this:
Dame Rachel (UK Children's Commissioner) has published a report on the influence of pornography on harmful sexual behaviour among children.

"At the most serious end", children were using the language of violent pornography and it was affecting their behaviour, she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65534354



You think glimpsing mum and dad compares with 24/7 anything goes? Seriously?

no, it's something new. But talking about sex isn't.
Which is why parents need to openly talk about it with their kids.

Porn is not going away, but how we deal with it can change.

 

[Poem]

no, it's something new. But talking about sex isn't.
Which is why parents need to openly talk about it with their kids.

Porn is not going away, but how we deal with it can change.

Rachel de Souza disagrees with you:

"It's going through the Lords at the moment - we need it to go through, we need children not to be able to access porn, particularly this violent porn, online."