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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Brainster said:
Anybody really think rape is pervasive and normalized in the US or indeed much of Western society? I do love the bit about slut-shaming; who exactly shames sluts? Answer: other women. And denial of widespread rape is a "when did you stop beating your wife," bit extended to the culture in general--either you acknowledge widespread rape, in which case rape culture pretty obviously, or you deny it, in which case rape culture.
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I've often thought "mansplaining" is just a throwaway sarcastic jab used as a mild invective in most conversations. But holy ****, it's an actual real thing.
 
Poem said:
According to employee Mike Farley they do not adequately moderate the content - he says there is a 'loophole'. What is your evidence that counters this? From Sound Investigations website:

September 21, Member of Canadian Parliament Arnold Viersen cited our investigations on the floor of Parliament and condemned Pornhub’s actions.

September 29, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson and 25 other state attorneys general issued a letter to Pornhub demanding changes based on Sound Investigations’ videos.

October 3, 62 victims launched a new class action lawsuit against Pornhub, specifically citing Sound Investigations’ first two videos, including Pornhub’s Technical Product Manager Mike Farley’s indictment of Pornhub’s Chief Legal Officer and Chief Product Officer in the first undercover video.

December 19, a judge certified another class action lawsuit against Pornhub in Alabama’s Northern District court. This suit will subpoena two subjects featured in Sound Investigations’ videos, Mike Farley and Dillon Rice, as material witnesses. Farley, who told the undercover camera, “I wouldn’t be able to defend this in court” will now have to try to defend Pornhub’s actions in court.
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my counter is that i don't think this even addresses my claim that the videos may be on the site but are difficult to find because the sites are moderated

i'm saying they're pretty hard to find if they're on those sites. the millions of people in the dark on that aren't watching those videos.
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dirtywick said:
my counter is that i don't think this even addresses my claim that the videos may be on the site but are difficult to find because the sites are moderated
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Jenna Rolfe is a former employee of Aylo, who (up until August 2023) reviewed pornographic images and videos advertisers pay Aylo to display on Pornhub and Aylo’s other pornography websites.

Rolfe criticizes her recent employer not only for accepting and displaying videos where neither Aylo nor the advertiser can verify the age or consent of models shown but the permissive moderation policies her superiors told moderators to use to spot check videos and images. Rolfe says she spoke up internally against the Aylo policy that Aylo moderators must approve any images or videos with models with “tattoos and piercings and makeup,” despite not all such models being 18 and legal pornography models. Rolfe’s team told her not making this age assumption would “[lose] income for the clients [advertisers].” Rolfe sighs, “Any concern you get is always going to be lips service.”.


Full article.
 
Poem said:
How so?

Sound Investigators have video footage of several employees revealing that the moderation is woeful.
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i understand that. my claim is that these videos are likely uploaded to the sites but their current moderation makes illegal content difficult to find. models presented as 18 or older but unable to verify is tangential to that content. regardless, she’s describing them being unable to remove content permanently, since it’s constantly reuploaded. but the content is still difficult to find if you don’t know where to look and when it’s found it’s moderated. to me that just makes it seem like the rape content is pretty well hidden not that people are being exposed to it a lot
 
dirtywick said:
i understand that. my claim is that these videos are likely uploaded to the sites but their current moderation makes illegal content difficult to find.
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Evidence please.

models presented as 18 or older but unable to verify is tangential to that content.
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I don't know what that means.

regardless, she’s describing them being unable to remove content permanently, since it’s constantly reuploaded. but the content is still difficult to find if you don’t know where to look and when it’s found it’s moderated.
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How so?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
A hostile environment qualifies as rape culture in my book.

The OP identifies a part of underground porn as rape culture. But that is limited to the fringes of society. Producers are hunted down and jailed, and knowing consumers also face prosecution. They are not tolerated any more than other criminals.
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Underground? Fringe? It's content that's freely available on Pornhub - one of the most popular porn sites and one of the most visited websites on the net (Sound Investigations has it at no. 9).

Illegal content is upload and re-uploaded right now on Pornhub et al.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
People in the right-wing mainstream culture like Jordan Peterson are working hard to normalize Rape Culture.
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How so?

And, of course, the Christian idea of The Family is based entirely on the Man getting to demand sex whenever he wants.
many Evangelical groups still preach that women have to shut up when a man is talking and give him lots of babies.
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Citation?

And what do you call a Supreme Court and State Court decision that forces a woman have things done with her body that she doesn't want?
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?
 
novaphile said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

It's a long time since I had to read the legislation here in Australia*, but when I did, I was surprised that any depiction of a person under the age of consent, including adults pretending to be younger, was considered to be 'child pornography'.
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That might be on the statute books, but that doesn’t mean it’s enforced. Game of Thrones would have been in a lot of trouble if it were.
 
Darat said:
Why do you consider that? It is probably not something most people will even think about. I suspect that if you asked most they would think - if pressed to think about it - if it was on such a site such as Pornhub it's going to be fine since that's a mainstream porn site, not one that is hidden or doesn't market itself. Unfortunately, as is shown time and time again people overall are incurious about the world they inhabit, even parts that directly influence their lives.
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A quick search on the impact that their work has had suggests that, indeed, not many will have heard about it. I didn't find any MSM reports though Sound Investigations say that they have had such coverage - and that they have, 'over 25 million video impressions on X.'

This from Arden Young on X (Feb 28th 2024) might be relevant:
Since joing @X, the "free speech platform," I have been locked out of my account (had to beg for it back), our undercover videos have been disabled, search-banned, and demonetized. For what? Literally proving, out of the horse's mouth, that the most renowned pornography company in the world KNOWINGLY profits off trafficking, abuse, r*pe, ignores victims, and more. Please tell me what is going on, anyone who works for @X. Please don't tell me it's because I use the word "porn." I see literally pornography on here on almost a daily basis with more engagement than I get.

So little coverage and yet on "September 29, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson and 25 other state attorneys general issued a letter to Pornhub demanding changes based on Sound Investigations’ videos."

The letter (Sep 29th 2023) states, “As you are aware, various Federal and state laws forbid the creation and distribution of CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material). We are concerned that Aylo and its subsidiary Pornhub, and possibly other subsidiaries, may be proliferating the production and dissemination of CSAM through the 'loophole' identified by your employee. Please provide us with an explanation of this 'loophole;' whether Aylo and its subsidiaries do, in fact, permit content creators and performers to obscure their faces in uploaded content; and, if so, whether Aylo is taking measures to change this policy to ensure that no children or other victims are being abused for profit on any of its platforms.”
 
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More on the history of Pornhub according to unherd:

Pornhub and xHamster have been banned in Germany; there has been a proposed ban in France; and a number of EU bodies have called for more restrictions for porn websites under the Digital Services Act.

I'm guessing, but does banned in Germany actually mean people can and do still access it? Cynical of me, i know.
 
Is it okay to post a link here to a petition for people to sign? (Shut down Pornhub who still host rape and underage material).
 
I'd also add the category of videos that have adults in it and were consenting at the time - but did not give their consent to spread the video.

I.E Revenge porn or celebrity leaks.
 
Several US states have enforced ID verification for anyone trying to access Pornhub.

Sound Investigators:
In 2023, Louisiana, Utah, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Virginia passed laws with overwhelming bipartisan support that require IDs to access pornography sites to prevent these sites from illegally serving their products to children. By Pornhub’s own admission, Pornhub’s traffic dropped 80% in Louisiana after the new law forced Pornhub to require ID verification for its users. After Louisiana, Pornhub began lawfare against states that enacted similar laws and is protesting by blocking access to its sites altogether in many states.

Pornhub clearly wants children to access their material; why else are they suing?
 
Brainster said:
Every day? Also the site mentions that the average visit is 10 minutes or so, which sounds like the time needed for porn to have its desired effect. Yes, there may be multiple visits from the same source.
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Arden Young (AY), undercover journalist
Mike Farley (MF), Technical Production Manager at Pornhub

AY: Do you think porn is addictive?
MF: I think so. For sure. I mean a 180 million unique visitors a day is a lot.
 
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Poem said:
Several US states have enforced ID verification for anyone trying to access Pornhub.

Sound Investigators:
In 2023, Louisiana, Utah, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Virginia passed laws with overwhelming bipartisan support that require IDs to access pornography sites to prevent these sites from illegally serving their products to children. By Pornhub’s own admission, Pornhub’s traffic dropped 80% in Louisiana after the new law forced Pornhub to require ID verification for its users. After Louisiana, Pornhub began lawfare against states that enacted similar laws and is protesting by blocking access to its sites altogether in many states.

Pornhub clearly wants children to access their material; why else are they suing?
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Pornhub believes that requiring its adult customers to identify themselves will drive away business because pornography is a product many consumers prefer to consume anonymously.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Pornhub believes that requiring its adult customers to identify themselves will drive away business because pornography is a product many consumers prefer to consume anonymously.
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You have a citation?
 
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