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Does "I" Exist? Or, Just a Concept?

Mercutio said:
Actually, Iacchus, you could benefit by watching the entire set of videos. Koch's talk (second third of the first video--he's the guy in the silly shirt) speaks directly to your ignorance. The guy before Blackmore in the second video also, although his talk is too advanced for you technically.
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You simply have it all wrong.
 
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition or something?
 
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Iacchus said:
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition or something?
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Silly Iacchus...I thought you claimed to be interested in consciousness, will, intent...all those things that make you put "I" in quotes all the time. Those videos are some of the top people in the world giving you partial answers to your questions.

Why do you equate learning (about something you claim to be interested in) with brutal torture?

Why do you claim to be interested in these topics when your behavior clearly speaks otherwise?
 
Iacchus said:
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition or something?
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No, it's the Cheese Shop sketch.

Thanks for the links to those videos, kuroyume0161. I'm downloading them now and hope to watch them over the weekend. Only have sl-o-o-o-w internet access from home so I'm sucking them onto my notebook at work ;)
 
I just watched the first video (it runs for 2 hours 45 minutes). Very very good. Fascinating and entertaining at the same time. Very smart and very engaging speakers. Can't recommend it highly enough.

You can get them here if you don't want to page back through the thread.
 
PixyMisa said:
No, it's the Cheese Shop sketch.
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Exactly.

Iacchus lists all of the kinds of knowledge/cheese he claims to have, but when you ask him to produce them, it becomes apparent that he hasn't in fact got any cheese at all.

"I was deliberately wasting your time"
 
PixyMisa said:
I just watched the first video (it runs for 2 hours 45 minutes). Very very good. Fascinating and entertaining at the same time. Very smart and very engaging speakers. Can't recommend it highly enough.

You can get them here if you don't want to page back through the thread.
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The second speaker (if memory serves--anyway, the guy who produced tv shows), right after Shermer, was (in person) a fairly smarmy and egotistical git. He was in charge of asking the panel questions in later segments, and could have easily asked 2 or 3 times as many had he not been so interested in hearing himself talk.

Just one more example of how actually having presentable evidence is more important than personality.
 
Roger Bingham. That doesn't come across in the first video, at least, but they have been edited a bit - there's a cut between the last presentation and the panel session for example, so we don't see everything.

Alison Gopnik, who spoke on child development, is my favourite so far, maybe because I have two young nephews (ages two and four) visiting right now.
 
Oh, I loved his presentation. All of them, actually. It was his role as question-asker that was really frustrating to sit through. In fact, his elaboration of questions was one of the reasons that so many question were not gotten to, and were collected by Renata and posted on the skeptic forum.
 
Iacchus said:
The "self" exists in principle, albeit much like a river, which is affected and impressed upon, it is forever changing.
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Well... apparently that's not what the Buddhists believe in, so why do you try to make it so they do ?

Iacchus said:
Yes, but there are certain folks -- around here even -- that would contest that "I" doesn't even exist. ;)
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Are you just saying that because I have a "Does Iacchus exist ?" thread ?

Iacchus said:
So, what do you think? Is there an "I" that exists outside of the physical processes of the brain? ... Or, is it as you and other folks around here would contend, that it is merely a construct of said process? If so, then how does "it" differ from any other so-called constructs that exist within the same parameters ... concepts in other words?
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No. Yes. In no way.

Iacchus said:
I barely remember what I did yesterday, let alone what anyone else did.
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That explains a number of things, namely your inability to learn.

And again, if other things of said process are not considered "real" in and of themselves, why should "the self" (that which "thinks" through these processes) be considered any more real?
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It isn't.
 
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