You can not find correct answers, how will you find errors. Jet fuel dumped in the air is white like a cloud. In the dark it is black. Questions? Why are you having problems with this? Even pdoh could find the a photo of
http://www.habu.org/a-12/06924.html
I have no doubt that the fuel (LIQUID) is white. The issue was jet vapor (GAS). No need to confuse the two.
GUMAccording to the firemen who were in the lobby of WTC1 the smashed windows and falling marble wall panels were as a result of the building moving (which is how they knew it might collapse), not a result of the fireball.
Source?
POM-We kind of noticed that you haven't pointed out any errors in Mark's paper.
1.
Johannemann video:-What happened was we were down in the basement and all of the sudden we heard a loud bang. And the elevator doors blew open and some guy was burnt up. So I dragged him out his skin was all hangin’ off. So I dragged him out and pulled him out of the parking lot (inaudible).
In Gravy’s transcript, it reads so I dragged him out and pulled him
in to the parking lot.
This is an error in the account. We are unaware of what elevator or lift Kenny is near nor does he mention a fireball exiting the lift after the lift door exploded open.
[/B] This one error changes the entire location of
2. B1 level-Ivan Almendarez.
In Gravy's source, Ivan does not mention where he is located in relation to the event.
3.B1-B2 levels-From Gravy's Paper:
"I felt the explosion and the elevator dropped," Arturo said at St. Vincents Hospital in Manhattan, where he's being treated for a broken leg.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20010916/ai_n14537022
Arturo Grffith, elevator operator, in freight car 50A with carpenter Marlene Cruz:
Arturo Griffith, a Panamanian, was in a lift at the time of the impact. The whole car shook and juddered as he heard an ominous noise from above.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010918/ai_n14406873
Actual quote from source mentions no presence of Marlene Cruz in the elevator!
The only suggestion they were in the same elevator comes from this account from Mike Pecoraro:
One was a female Carpenter and the other an Elevator Operator. They were both badly burned and injured.
Mike either saw two different people, or he is mistaken in their injuries. Niether Marlene or Arturo were badly burned.
4.In Gray's paper: 'I don't know who saved me. It was so black and smoky. I couldn't see nothin',' Arturo said. 'When they got me out, I told them there was someone else down there, a woman. They went back to get her. Seconds after they pulled her out, a ball of fire came down the shaft. They almost got killed.
http://911digitalarchive.org/seiu/details/55
The source and link has nothing to do with this account.
5.
The only reference to any fireball in Arturo's account, is unsourced. http://911digitalarchive.org/seiu/details/54 There is no source at this location for Arturo's account and no other source on Arturo mentions his experience with a fireball.
6. Outright unknown locations are placed in the basemnet section alone. Although technically not an error, it is misleading to the reader.
Those 5 errors above were from the basement level alone. I have yet to critique the rest of the paper.
POM-Tell us again why not a single demolition expert anywhere in the world swallows the fantasist snake oil about explosives in the Twin Towers.
Most likely because they were TOLD jet fuel caused the massive damage in the basement. See if you read the account, most thought it was a bomb or reminded them of the 1993 attacks. Only when they were TOLD what happened is when they suggest jet fuel.
Also, which elevator shaft from the picture below do you think was responsible for the lobby destruction?
You do realise that's not an accurate reflection of the actual elevator system, right?
Feel free to provide a better one and then answer the question.
The Port Authority Police Department was in charge of security at the WTC, not some "guards". This story was never reported by any other media outlet and Daria Coard never made another statement about it. Who is she? Who was her employer?
PAPD Officer David Lim testified to the 9/11 Commission that he and bomb sniffing dog Sirius (killed in the attack) were on duty the morning of 9/11:
"On that fateful day, my job was checking vehicles that were entering the WTC Truck Dock for possible explosives. At about 0830hrs, I was in my office/kennel on the B-1 level #2WTC. About 15 minutes later, I felt the bldg shake. I left Sirius in his kennel & responded to the mezzanine of #1 WTC to assist people coming out of the "A" stairwell."
Is this the only location that a vehicle can enter the sub-levels?
As for Sakher 'Rocky' Hammad he had a visitor's pass, not a work authorization. No work order from any plumbing company or WTC tenant has every been produced, no one witnesses him in the WTC basement and I've yet to see a first person quote from HIM stating he was working at the WTC.
Source on visitor's pass? According to Federal Authorities, Rocky told them he was working on the sprinkler system. Do you expect a work order to survive the damage and destruction ?\
But Hicks said the Port Authority, which owned the building, did its own sprinkler work, and that any other work involving sprinklers would have been arranged by an individual tenant."We don't know (which one) because all our records were destroyed in the World Trade
If your contention is that he was wandering around there to possibly plant a bomb, there is absolutely no evidence for that.
So far here is what I've learned from JREF regulars please ignore this if this doesn't apply to you:
1. They will ingore and avoid facts that do not support the official story.
2. They will ingore assumptions made by NIST about the official story assuming that because they are experts, they must be right.
3. They support a paper that has numerous errors and misleading statements in it.
4. They believe that jet fuel dumped in the sky is in vapor form, not liquid.
5. They refuse to accept that kerosene, althought a primary ingriedient in jetfuel A ,does not have the same chemical properties as Jetfuel A.
6. They clutch upon the damage to humans in the subbasement all the while ignoring the damage to the environment in support of a fireball causing the damage witnessed.
7. The "leader" cries errors in my work, but refuses or cannot point out those errors.
8. And finally they do research for other readers without them asking and then break the requests of moderators by resorting to adhom attacks.
9. They rely on miracles to support the official theory that a fireball created the damage in the basement.
CHF, is this the shredding of my research that you expected? Because, frankly, I'm not impressed.
