Ed Do you like your cheese?

arthwollipot said:
A superficial read of the situation would tell you that that's not the case.
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I only read superficially, being both super and partial to fish, thank you very much. But just to be safe, I superficially read the OP again. Seems Dr Kagan wrote an article or two over the generation in question, as well. Still doesn't strike me as any Herculean effort, superficially. Any reason to assume that he put more significant time and efforts into this, given the decades available?
 
Thermal said:
I only read superficially, being both super and partial to fish, thank you very much. But just to be safe, I superficially read the OP again. Seems Dr Kagan wrote an article or two over the generation in question, as well. Still doesn't strike me as any Herculean effort, superficially. Any reason to assume that he put more significant time and efforts into this, given the decades available?
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How about reading the article linked in the OP? This is what I mean by a "superficial" reading of the situation. It shows that not only has he been pursuing this issue for 21 years with three separate brand name owners, but he has also engaged in other campaigns to rename problematic place names and landmarks.

He's not an armchair activist.
 
arthwollipot said:
Also, it took me almost two seconds to find this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hagan
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Exactly my point. He is clearly an activist. He has fought this particular issue for it would seem a grand total of more like 21 hours, spread across many years, while he was doing other things.

My point was that saying he has been fighting this issue for 21 years is a tad hyperbolic. Seems he wrote a few letters and a couple articles while involved in other things.

Kind of like saying I've played soccer for 30 years: a game 30 years ago and two or three others since. Technically accurate, but actually misleading. I'd prefer journalists not do that.
 
Thermal said:
Exactly my point. He is clearly an activist. He has fought this particular issue for it would seem a grand total of more like 21 hours, spread across many years, while he was doing other things.

My point was that saying he has been fighting this issue for 21 years is a tad hyperbolic. Seems he wrote a few letters and a couple articles while involved in other things.

Kind of like saying I've played soccer for 30 years: a game 30 years ago and two or three others since. Technically accurate, but actually misleading. I'd prefer journalists not do that.
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Well I don't personally know the man, so I don't know how much of his life he has dedicated to this single cause. How many hours per day do you think someone should dedicate to getting a cheese brand name changed before you take them seriously? Eight? Twelve?

Give the guy a break. He got a win, finally.
 
Thermal said:
Exactly my point. He is clearly an activist. He has fought this particular issue for it would seem a grand total of more like 21 hours, spread across many years, while he was doing other things.



My point was that saying he has been fighting this issue for 21 years is a tad hyperbolic. Seems he wrote a few letters and a couple articles while involved in other things.



Kind of like saying I've played soccer for 30 years: a game 30 years ago and two or three others since. Technically accurate, but actually misleading. I'd prefer journalists not do that.
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How is it hyperbolic to say what he actually did?
 
arthwollipot said:
Well I don't personally know the man, so I don't know how much of his life he has dedicated to this single cause. How many hours per day do you think someone should dedicate to getting a cheese brand name changed before you take them seriously? Eight? Twelve?



Give the guy a break. He got a win, finally.
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It appears not only does your protest have to be on the approved list of significant things you are allowed to be bothered about but there is a minimum level of actual action before you are allowed to state you are campaigning against or for something!
 
This may be the thread to make a confession and clarify the acceptability of my behaviour.

Cheese and biscuits has been a fairly regular lunch time snack for me while home working.

I take the cheeses out of the fridge cut a few pieces and ........

Give it a 10 second burst in the microwave

Does this make me a bad person?
 
Darat said:
It appears not only does your protest have to be on the approved list of significant things you are allowed to be bothered about but there is a minimum level of actual action before you are allowed to state you are campaigning against or for something!
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Also, if it exceeds the minimum action you are expending too much action. You can’t win with some people.
 
Lothian said:
This may be the thread to make a confession and clarify the acceptability of my behaviour.

Cheese and biscuits has been a fairly regular lunch time snack for me while home working.

I take the cheeses out of the fridge cut a few pieces and ........

Give it a 10 second burst in the microwave

Does this make me a bad person?
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It depends. Where exactly did you cut the cheese and were there other people around you at the time?
 
Lothian said:
This may be the thread to make a confession and clarify the acceptability of my behaviour.



Cheese and biscuits has been a fairly regular lunch time snack for me while home working.



I take the cheeses out of the fridge cut a few pieces and ........



Give it a 10 second burst in the microwave



Does this make me a bad person?
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Pretty much.

As you failed to mention Branston's pickle.

Are you insane?
 
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Sideroxylon said:
It’s hilarious that you think that this is a counter to the current irrelevance to supermarket cheese consumers of either the man or his process.
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It is a counter. There are plenty of products that proudly display their processes or contents as a selling point. Clearly the name of this product is akin to that. You should at least take that into consideration.

Some guy and a process no one gives a **** about
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You have no idea if consumers care about this process.
 
Lothian said:
I like pickle but I see it as something to use when you have crap cheese. The flavour of a good cheese doesn't need masking (just a little help to get it to the right temperature)
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Well, while we are on that topic, it doesn't need any biscuits/crackers either. ;)
 
Belz... said:
It is a counter. There are plenty of products that proudly display their processes or contents as a selling point. Clearly the name of this product is akin to that. You should at least take that into consideration.



You have no idea if consumers care about this process.
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Walk me through it for lulz.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Walk me through it for lulz.
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Through what? I'm asking you to consider that the brand name is a reference to its original process, and that many brands use their process as a selling point.

Look at it this way: if the name of the brand was unchanged but there was a picture of a racoon on the box, would it still be racist? If so, why? If not, why is it racist when it's someone's name?
 
Many brands don't have racial slurs as the names of their process.

It's racist because it is a racial slur used by racists..

If there was a picture of a raccoon, and it was called " Raccoon Brand Cheese" it wouldn't be a problem.

" Raccoon " is not a racial slur..

It's a racist term. The context doesn't change that ( though it might in the minds of reasonable people ) ..

Rather than antagonize a large group of people, it seems to make sense to find another name for your cheese..
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
It's racist because it is a racial slur used by racists..
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Would a brand name "Dick's rice" be sexual in nature because the word is used to refer to a penis, even though the founder of the company was called Richard?

If there was a picture of a raccoon, and it was called " Raccoon Brand Cheese" it wouldn't be a problem.

" Raccoon " is not a racial slur..
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You are modifying the parameters of my question. I specifically said that the name would not change, but that a picture of a racoon was included.
 
Belz... said:
Would a brand name "Dick's rice" be sexual in nature because the word is used to refer to a penis, even though the founder of the company was called Richard?



You are modifying the parameters of my question. I specifically said that the name would not change, but that a picture of a racoon was included.
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I think it would muddy the waters.

“The cheese is called Coon Cheese?”
“It’s named after a guy who made cheese and developed a process of the same name, okay! Stop thinking it’s racist!”
“Why does it have a raccoon on it? We don’t even have those in Australia! Is it supposed to refer to the guy AND the process AND the animal? Can’t you see why this name might also be associated with a racial slur too?”
 
angrysoba said:
I think it would muddy the waters.

“The cheese is called Coon Cheese?”
“It’s named after a guy who made cheese and developed a process of the same name, okay! Stop thinking it’s racist!”
“Why does it have a raccoon on it? We don’t even have those in Australia! Is it supposed to refer to the guy AND the process AND the animal? Can’t you see why this name might also be associated with a racial slur too?”
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Obviously in that example it wouldn't be named after a guy but after the animal.

It was a very simple question, but I feel like several posters are deliberately complexifying it.
 
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