Do you guys believe this is true?

Kilik said:
But , with newer discoveries in other areas nearby, I think it resembles the man made structures of some other culture
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Really?

Which other culture has produced areas of randomly sized stepped cuts into solid rock?

Please provide a link to a decription or picture of a similar man made structure from any historic culture.
 
Kilik said:
Did you watch the video?
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/024/english/hilight/024_0022.ram
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I watched it and found it peculiar the narrator kept saying such-and-such structure in Peru (which was shown in a series of still photos) matched up with structures in Yonaguni. And yet not one photo of the matching structure in Yonaguni.

I was also amused by the last words of the video, "They most likely also have similar imaginations."
 
Kilik said:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/gallery/yonaguni/1-1.jpg
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/gallery/yonaguni/1-2.jpg
"Terraces and steps: prehistoric rock-hewn structures at Sacsayhuaman (above) and nearby Qenko (below) in the high Andes mountains of Peru."
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/yonaguni.htm
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/yonaguni2.htm

Did you watch the video?
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/024/english/hilight/024_0022.ram
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My goodness - he is a deceptive little image cherry picker isn't he?

Funny how none of the underwater photos look like this:
Huaca1.jpg

Or this:
pe-qenko2.jpg

Or this:
Sacsayhuaman.JPG

Which are all images from the sites you mentioned.
We can clearly see how steps are carved into the rock in the first 2 images and the third is obviously built from individual stones.

All the photos appear completely different to the underwater ones (which all look exactly like sections of stone that have sheared off).

If you honestly believe there is any similarity between the two sites then it is extremely obvious you have never looked at any photos of the sites apart from the ones in your books.

But you so obviously dearly want to believe that I know this won't make any difference to you.
 
Kilik said:
Yes, on the one video there are some symmetrical natural(?) formations above water. They are pretty symmetrical. But I think they are maybe not quite the same as the submerged megaliths.
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Nature produce approximated symmetry all the time. Just think of these rocks in Australia.

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They're called The Devil's marbles. Just imagine the awe and wonder the natives must have felt from the presence of these boulders. Geology has a good explanation, though:

From Wikipedia
The remarkable geological formations have been formed by spheroidal weathering. Signs along the pathways describe how the boulders were formed by a combination of mechanical weathering (which cracked the rocks) and chemical weathering (which flaked the surface off).

The boulders were originally part of a solid mass of coarse grained granite which formed deep within the earth's surface about 1640 million years ago. Erosion has since stripped away the overlying material, and weathering processes have shaped them into the "marbles" as they appear now. As the molten magma cooled and hardened to form granite the mass shrank and cracked and these cracks known as joints effectively split the granite body into a series of tight fitting blocks.

The temperature ranges in the Northern Territory outback range from sub-zero temperatures at night to over 40°C during the day - meaning that the erosive processes are still very much at work and the boulders continue to evolve into new shapes.
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Source
 
Thomas said:
Nature produce approximated symmetry all the time.
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This one's my personal favorite (I took it myself). It is columnar basalt that was sheared off by glaciation, leaving this smooth, patio-like surface. Really though, you don't need to look far to see symmetry in geology.
 
I dont' believe this has been brought up yet. I remember watching a T.V. show about the Yonaguni structures and they did show a scientist who came out to investigate it. He said the first thing that he noticed was how the water was hitting the rock walls in the area. The erosion over the years carved out "steps" in the walls above the water line, suggesting that these types of formations could've been formed by the elements.
 
No, he's honest.

In Malta there are prehsitoric temples above and below water
hagarqim.jpg


xarolla.jpg
 
Correa Neto said:
...Point me a sophisticated civilization that was developed and maintained itself restricted and isolated at a small area.
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You might regard ancient Crete as home to a sophisticated culture, call it a civilization*, that occupied a restricted area. Of course the Cretans traded widely and drew their sustenance from a larger part of the world than their few islands, so you couldn't call them isolated.

* I want to use "civilized" and "civilization" in the restricted sense of "societies that build towns," i.e., cives.

But I think you're just a big old meany, kicking down Kilik's playhouse this way.
 
Oh, it was all just for the purpose of setting up this next post, regarding issues which have not been addressed at all yet. Regarding Atlantis in the Atlantic, not Lemuria in the Pacific-


On Edgar Cayce


The Edgar Cayce material provides a number of fascinating glimpses into epochs of human history. For many individuals, perhaps two of the most notable periods discussed by the Cayce readings are those which deal with the ancient civilizations of Atlantis and Egypt.

Hundreds of readings discuss the lost continent of Atlantis – a civilization which was one of the most advanced that the world would ever know. According to the readings, records of this society exist to this day in Egypt, the Yucatan, and near Bimini. In fact, the readings considered the Bimini Islands the remnant of a mountain range from this once-massive continent.

From Cayce’s perspective, much of modern-day technology is simply the rediscovering of knowledge and information possessed by the Atlantean culture. Yet, although the Atlanteans were advanced technologically, many of the people lost their sense of purpose by becoming too attached to power and the material world.

Essentially, by focusing upon materiality and ignoring their true spiritual nature, the people brought upon themselves a series of three cataclysms. The first, about 50,000 B.C., destroyed their major power source. The second, about 28,500 B.C., caused the continent to break into three smaller islands: Poseidia, Og, and Aryan. The third and final destruction – which is the one mentioned by Plato – occurred about 10,500 B.C. and caused the three islands to sink, forcing those who survived to migrate to other parts of the world.

In fact, prior to the final destruction of Atlantis, many of the Atlanteans migrated to Egypt and were absorbed into a culture that reached its height of glory at about the same time as the third Atlantean cataclysm. Under the direction of a High Priest named Ra Ta, Egypt began to lead the world in social programs aimed at equality, personal transformation, and moral responsibility to others. Eventually, the Egyptian civilization was considered unsurpassed in the scientific history of the world and given credit for introducing the world to writing, medical science, irrigation, architecture, and nationalism.

Cayce stated that records of this once glorious civilization would one day be discovered in Egypt. In addition, the readings suggest that between 1958 and 1998 the world would again be presented with many of the same opportunities and challenges that faced the Atlanteans, eventually requiring humankind to remember its true spiritual nature as we head toward a new millennium of peace and hope.
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The first of a series of disturbances came as a result of the use of the very high explosives which were used to destroy the enormous animals that then roamed the world. Great gas pockets were blown open and volcanic eruptions and earthquakes from the slow cooling earth broke up the continent into a group of large islands.
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When man entered this earth as man, according to the Edgar Cayce readings, Atlantis was a great continent lying in what is now the Atlantic Ocean between the Gulf of Mexico and the Mediterranean Sea.
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Kilik said:
In Malta there are prehsitoric temples above and below water
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One immediately glaring difference between these temple images and the photos of the Yonaguni structures is the absense of any openings in the Yonagunis. Supposedly, this is the remains of an ancient city spread over hundreds of miles, and yet all of the structures are referred to as monoliths, ziggurats, blocks -- no reference of any internal structures.
Granted, I didn't read through the whole post - there's a lot on there - but if you have any links talking specifically of the structures being dwellings or some other purposeful building, I'd love to see it.
 
In the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York, you can see very extensive outcrops of limestones and limey shales that are so precisely stratified and cleaved that they eerily resemble poured concrete. You often have to look twice, or more than twice, to see that they’re not manmade constructions eroding out of the hillsides. Sometimes the illusion is on a gigantic scale.

If he’d pay his own way, I’d love to take Kilik on a tour of, say, Thompkins Country NY. He could photograph (and then Photoshop) some truly mind-buggering “ancient structures” in places where nobody has ever tried to find them. He could write a book about Upstate Cyclopia: The Fantastic Antediluvian Cities of Forgotten New York!

You say he’d never find a publisher? Hah! I could do it with a couple of phone calls. Would I do it for 10 percent of net? No; but make that 10 percent of gross and Kilik has a deal.
 
Kilik said:
Oh, it was all just for the purpose of setting up this next post, regarding issues which have not been addressed at all yet. Regarding Atlantis in the Atlantic, not Lemuria in the Pacific-


On Edgar Cayce
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That's it...quit reading right there.

Kilik, let's say your purpose in this thread is to build a house of credibility and evidence for your ideas regarding ancient civilizations. Citing Cayce is like dropping a bunker buster right down the chimney. Well, for me, anyway. Can't speak for the rest.
 
All the photos appear completely different to the underwater ones
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Maybe that's because the ones you showed are above water sites.

That one you posted, looks very similar actually, to the above water temples at the RYuku islands, which also are related to the Underwater one. I remember seeing that on a show, they look really similar to what you linked!

I could only find this picture so far though-
shurijo.jpg


But it goes all around on different levels and looks very similar to your picture.


Now then, Dr. Kimura is an authority on Geology and history, so I think he knows more about it than you-

SIMKIN: At the end of the Japanese archipelago lies Yonaguni, shrouded in mist and mystery. The adults sing of their island’s beauty while the children are told legends of its past – stories about a mysterious castle underneath the sea.

JAPANESE SINGING: A long time ago, a man called Taro Urashima was taken to the Sea God’s palace by a turtle he had rescued. The beauty of the underwater palace could not be described, even in heaven.

SIMKIN: It’s an image that has a special place in Okinawan legend. For centuries, stories about underwater cities have appeared in song and story passed down from generation to generation.

JAPANESE WOMAN: Our grandfathers often said that the sea surrounding Yonaguni Island was very deep. When I was at primary school and first heard the stories of the Sea God’s palace and Taro Urashima, I used to wonder if there was a Sea God’s palace close to Yonaguni Island.

SIMKIN: Such thoughts have long been dismissed as fantasy but what if fiction was based on fact? Scientists are now investigating a remarkable but virtually unknown site near Yonaguni. Several metres beneath the surface lies one of the world’s greatest mysteries, a place that could quite literally rewrite human history.

No one can be entirely sure what’s down there but many experts are convinced it’s the remains of a vast and ancient underwater city, a lost civilisation, a Japanese Atlantis.

Kihachiro Aratake made the discovery. He took me to see it.

KIHACHIRO ARATAKE: That is Arakawabana, where the

underwater ruins are located.

SIMKIN: Aratake-san is a professional diver. He was looking for new dive sites when he made the find of a lifetime, in fact the find of several thousand lifetimes, something no human had seen in millennia.

KIHACHIRO ARATAKE: I saw the most incredible thing. It was like my hair was standing on end and I got goose bumps. It was such a shock I didn’t believe my eyes. What is such a thing doing under the water?

SIMKIN: At first, Aratake-san kept his discovery secret but now, well aware of the potential for tourism, he’s keen to show it off, even when the weather is rough and his guest’s diving experience limited.

The water is warm, the current strong. The entire site stretches for kilometres but its centrepiece is three hundred metres long. To reach the monument, as it’s now known, you need to pass through an archway, a portal perhaps, to another world, another time.

Giant slabs of stone stand at unusual angles, perfectly parallel. Here what seems to be a drainage ditch, emptying into a small pool. And here a space like a room, carved into the recesses of the rock.

Nearby are the terraces, massive stone steps, all perpendicular. My guide has been diving all over the world for nearly forty years. He’s never seen anything like it. He believes it could be a giant pyramid.

KIHACHIRO ARATAKE: It has the special feature of facing south, the various sections are at right angles and the whole set of ruins is leaning about two degrees to the south. You never se angles like this and everything faces south.

SIMKIN: At the base, twenty five metres below the surface, is a flat clear space with stones piled on each side. Aratake-san thinks it was once a bustling boulevard encircling the site. Everywhere you look there are bizarre shapes and unusual angles. Some claim this is a stylised turtle,, carved out of the rock.

[On boat after dive] Well that is extraordinary, absolutely enormous and almost overwhelming. Very beautiful as well. I suppose the very big question though that needs to be asked is, is it made by humans or have the currents in some way carved all those extraordinary shapes? I don’t know the answer but there is a man here who says he does.

Masaaki Kimura is the world’s leading authority on the underwater monument. He’s a professor of marine geology and has dived these waters more than one hundred times. The professor says scientific testing reveals the site is ten thousand years old. He’s convinced the monument is the oldest building on earth, twice as old as the pyramids.

MASAAKI KIMURA: First, if you ask me if it is natural or an artefact, I can say almost 100%, close to 100% that it cannot be made naturally.

SIMKIN: Isn’t it possible though, in fact isn’t it probable, that these shape occurred naturally and that’s certainly the view some overseas experts take.

MASAAKI KIMURA: We have been able to collect relics, stone tools, relief carvings of animal figures, lithography with characters carved and direct evidence that humans existed. Therefore, as a result, we consider it an artefact.

SIMKIN: There are some striking similarities between the underwater ruins and Okinawa’s above water ones, particularly the ancient castles. This is Shuri Jo, ancient heart of the Okinawan empire.

SHURI JO. Click and drag photo to resize.

The shape, size and style, the combination of walls, arches and walkways are reminiscent of the monument although there are key differences. The castle was built with millions of small rocks, the monument was carved out of several enormous ones.

Underwater monument is also cutting the natural monolithic rock, it is very similar.

Parallels, too, with the region’s traditional graves, which were often built beside the sea.

MASAAKI KIMURA: Archaeologists and underwater experts from Europe came to study the site and they suggested it might have been a harbour, a port where ships arrived but the whole thing looks like a temple.

SIMKIN: If that’s true, it means this tiny, laid back island, Japan’s most western point, was once home to a sophisticated civilisation that’s since vanished from the face of the earth.

It’s possible the monument was thrust into the sea by a terrible natural disaster but more likely it suffered a much slower fate, the victim of rising sea levels as the ice age ended.

MASAAKI KIMURA: The earth is now getting warmer from the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide. The monument may be an example of a civilised people that became extinct and perhaps it warns us about the path we may follow in the future.
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Dr. Kimura is an authoritative scientist in his field. So to be clear, one more time-
"MASAAKI KIMURA: FIRST, IF YOU ASK ME IF IT IS NATURAL OR AN ARTEFACT, I CAN SAY ALMOST 100%, CLOSE 100% THAT IT CANNOT BE MADE NATURALLY."
 
the absense of any openings in the Yonagunis
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That's not totally true. The main entrance has an obvious gate, and there are openings around the area and attached to it


Vidoes about the Yonaguni Megalith
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/024/english/hilight/024_0016.wvx
this next one's pretty cool-
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/024/english/hilight/024_0016_1.wvx

" The images below are of the mysterious 'gusuku cave' that extends inward, and slopes downward, under the gusuku structure. The two images showing the entrance are taken from the outside of the cave looking towards the semi-circular wall feature (left), and (right) from the inside of the cave looking out. It is clear for everyone to see that the 'entrance' has been 'artificially shaped', and this is not something that it is possible to imagine anyone would undertake to do to an 'underwater' cave ..."
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etc-3.htm

http://www.morien-institute.org/imk9.html
 
"Atlantic Shelf
Strange, Straight Tracks At 1 Mile Depth

At a depth of 2000 metres, along the seabed that marks the peak of the ridge on the seamount north of the Azores, the researchers also discovered a puzzling set of straight tracks, resembling burrows roughly 5 cm apart. They confess to having no idea how and by what the tracks were made.

The MAR-ECO study is one component of Census of Marine Life (CoML), a 10-year, $1billion programme of exploration in the Atlantic. More than 110 scientists from 16 different nations are involved in this collaborative effort...."

shelfprints.jpg
 
I'm telling you, it's R'lyeh. The stars are aligning, and Great Cthulhu is about to rise and consume the world.
 
Kilik said:
Now then, Dr. Kimura is an authority on Geology and history, so I think he knows more about it than you-

MASAAKI KIMURA: We have been able to collect relics, stone tools, relief carvings of animal figures, lithography with characters carved and direct evidence that humans existed. Therefore, as a result, we consider it an artefact.
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If that is true, Kilik, these materials would have been examined, confirmed and authenticated by other archeologists around the world and there would be NUMEROUS refereed papers in scientific journals.

Since you appear to have considerable expertise at finding links, please give us some links to these papers.
 
Maybe I'll look into that, but Dr. Kimura has had many experts brought in to examine it. I'm not so sure what ytou say is true, it could be that scienctists are not that interested and want other things to be true and examined. That's how they are, societal people. It is going to be hard to understand what it is, especially if you have name recognition or credentials to write for a scinece magazne
 
Kilik said:
Maybe I'll look into that, but Dr. Kimura has had many experts brought in to examine it. I'm not so sure what ytou say is true, it could be that scienctists are not that interested and want other things to be true and examined. That's how they are, societal people. It is going to be hard to understand what it is, especially if you have name recognition or credentials to write for a scinece magazne
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Oh, please with the excuses. This is from your long quote:
Several metres beneath the surface lies one of the world’s greatest mysteries, a place that could quite literally rewrite human history.
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If this is true, all kinds of scientists would be all over it like ugly on a monkey. Their only pause would be to plan their trip to Oslo.

Now go get some REAL evidence.
 
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