Do you guys believe this is true?

[Kilik]

http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Atlantis/bimini.htm
http://www.s8int.com/water27.html

 

[BillC]

Yes. I totally believe those websites exist.

 

[richardm]

From the second link:

At that time, the apparatus was only able to make superficial dives, although the scientists managed to ... extract stones embedded with animal fossils incapable of living at a depth of 700 meters.(2,300 feet).

What a stunningly irrelevant thing to say.

Anyway. They're saying that these buildings and roads are between 15,000 and 50,000 years old. Is it credible that they were building stone pyramids, houses and roads back then?

 

[Kilik]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1374107/posts
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=qw1097554324900B252
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/992589/posts
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar5i.htm
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar6i.htm
http://www.morien-institute.org/adclarge6.html#15
http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i021017/i021017.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0528_020528_sunkencities.html

 

[MRC_Hans]

Kilik, just a piece of friendly advice:

If you want to conduct a sensible debate, post ONE link, state your own opinion, and your arguments for that opinion (possible with supporting links), then wait for the enevitable counterarguments, address them, etc....

If, OTOH, you want to be ignored, or joked about, continue to post a dozen links with no comments .

Hans

 

[The Don]

Is there any (properly researched scientific or archeological) evidence that the Bimini formations are anything other than naturally occuring ?

If they are not naturally occuring, is there any evidence for a reliable date on which they were created ?

My understanding is that the answer to the first question is NO, but then again I'm not an expert

 

[SezMe]

[WARNING: Appeal to authority]
The first link is to an article by Linda Moulton Howe. She thinks crop circles are really messages sent by extraterrestrial aliens. She does not seem to be able to separate fact from fantasy so that site has NO credibility - at least with me.
[/WARNING: Appeal to authority]

The second link refers to Noah's Flood. That's it. End of investigation. The simple answer to your OP title is "NO."

 

[Correa Neto]

Can someone please tell me why (and how) these civilizations managed to keep their cities restricted to the places that were sunken? Why they never stabilished at least a village in higher grounds?

How a sophisticated culture, that built edifications that resisted to sea level change (cataclysmical or not), has not left traces of natural resources extraction (mines, quarrys, tools)?

How such advanced cultures, that need a great area to sustain themselves (trade, food, natural resources) managed to be restricted to small parts of islands? Point me a sophisticated civilization that was developed and maintained itself restricted and isolated at a small area.

 

[Xeriar]

I think it's more likely that this particular structure is a bit more modern, if indeed it is man-made (within the last 3,000 years). That's just my opinion though. Erosion and other cataclysms do send things to the bottom of the sea from time to time.

Regarding other finds, I don't doubt that the end of the last ice age was a setback for humanity. Rising sea levels and torrential rains everywhere can do that. I doubt it reached the Bronze age like some claim, though (or got far into it, at least).

 

[Ashles]

No.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I think it's more likely that this particular structure is a bit more modern, if indeed it is man-made (within the last 3,000 years). That's just my opinion though. Erosion and other cataclysms do send things to the bottom of the sea from time to time.

Regarding other finds, I don't doubt that the end of the last ice age was a setback for humanity. Rising sea levels and torrential rains everywhere can do that. I doubt it reached the Bronze age like some claim, though (or got far into it, at least).

Actially, you would expect that the more advanced a civilization was, the better it would make it through an ice age. So there is no logic behind the idea that ancient civilisations disappeared because of ice ages.

Furhtermore, we do have quite a lot of archeological evidence of human activity before and during the latest ice age. But not the slightest hint of any technology beyond early stone-age.

Hans

 

[jmercer]

Do you guys believe this is true?

That there's something down there? Yes. That it's ancient ruins? Not enough information to make any kind of call on it. Remember Cydonis.

 

[Luke T.]

This reminds me of the Yonaguni structures.

All kinds of woo-woo meaning is being attached to these structures. And the photos in the link are very tantalizing. But that is the thing about still photos; the photographer decides the angles and aspects and what you will see and not see. A brief search around the internet shows these structures have gotten many a woo-woos heart to go pitter-patter with excitement.

But take a look at the first part of this video and the second part of this video. Here you can see it in much more detail.

Even though the narrator is trying to lead you to believe this is some sort of underwater temple/pyramid/whathaveyou, take a good look at the first video during the dry land sequences from about 1:50 to 2:35. Even as the narrator herself is calling these "fantastic formations sculpted by nature", you are looking at identical structures as what are seen later on underwater that are attributed to temple builders.

 

[Winslow Leach]

It's funny how things like this never make the national news. Did you guys also notice them asking for money at the bottom of the page.

 

[Luke T.]

It's funny how things like this never make the national news. Did you guys also notice them asking for money at the bottom of the page.

In the Yonaguni structures link I provided above, we have this:

Even so, outside of the “Ancient American” and CNN’s single report, the pall of silence covering all the facts about Okinawa’s structures screens them from view more effectively then their location at the bottom of the sea. Why? How can this appalling neglect persist in the face of a discovery of such unparalleled magnitude? At the risk of accusations of paranoia, one might conclude that a real conspiracy of managed information dominates America’s well-springs of public knowledge.

 

[Psiload]

This reminds me of the Yonaguni structures.

All kinds of woo-woo meaning is being attached to these structures. And the photos in the link are very tantalizing. But that is the thing about still photos; the photographer decides the angles and aspects and what you will see and not see. A brief search around the internet shows these structures have gotten many a woo-woos heart to go pitter-patter with excitement.

But take a look at the first part of this video and the second part of this video. Here you can see it in much more detail.

Even though the narrator is trying to lead you to believe this is some sort of underwater temple/pyramid/whathaveyou, take a good look at the first video during the dry land sequences from about 1:50 to 2:35. Even as the narrator herself is calling these "fantastic formations sculpted by nature", you are looking at identical structures as what are seen later on underwater that are attributed to temple builders.

Check out the computer graphic of the "structure" at about 3:11 in the first video. It's gives you the overall view. Sorta like this:

Much less mysterious when you get the big picture.

 

[Kilik]

I didn't realize my opinion was so important. What I mas meaning to say was that this woman has made some claims about retrieving relics from the sites as well as getting some images of underwater Megaliths. I guess it might also not be unreasonbale to assume they would be very careful about who has access to the samples. What it said in the first link I linked, said some lab results testing the samples would be due back in July of this year.

Many submerged lands would have been the most inhabitlable in the Ice age. Also, how do we know there were no survivors. Take a look at the articles which mention that at the Cuban site, some scientists think that area sunk 800 feet. SO maybe the idea of some cultures and traditions surviving is not that far fetched. Especially mountain people who wold have lived above 2000 feet at the time. Perhaps the mountains of China, people survived and continued their traditions. Maybe the Himalayas.

There are also submerged Megaliths in other areas of the world that would have been the habitlble areas during the last ice age. For exapmle Malta, there are underwater temples which should call into question the dating for the above water sites, but most scientists are not interestd. There are also I think 5 human teeth found in a cave in a layer that makes them 10,000 years old at Malta

The more evidence is found, the more it indicates human influence shaped the Yonaguni megaliths

 

[Chaosium]

The more evidence is found, the more it indicates human influence shaped the Yonaguni megaliths

Why? Sunken human and animal artifacts alone don't imply that.

 

[Luke T.]

The more evidence is found, the more it indicates human influence shaped the Yonaguni megaliths

In the first link, with the photos, that I provided, at the very bottom is an alert about an earthquake in the Yonaguni area and a concern that the earthquake might have destroyed the underwater structures.

Sounds to me they are missing nn astoundingly obvious clue as to what created these structures to begin with!

If the "more evidence" you are talking about is along the lines of what is on that site, then I am afraid it does nothing to convince me.

Take a look at this statement:

Professor Masaki Kimura, a geologist at Ryukyu University in Okinawa, was the first scientist to investigate the site and has concluded that the mysterious five-layer structure was man-made. "The object has not been manufactured by nature. If that had been the case, one would expect debris from erosion to have collected around the site, but there are no rock fragments there," he said.

Look at the video. Look at the graphic Psiload has provided. Tell me there are no rock fragments there.

Even without looking at the video or the graphic, you expect Japan being in a high earthquake area for over thousands of years would not create rock fragments whether or not these were natural formations? Come on!

Look at the video the moment the narrator is saying "spectacular stone formations sculpted by nature". There is a chunk of rock in the water that if it fell into the water during an earthquake would be the next rumored Atlantis.

ETA: Freeze the first video at 2:17. Look at the natural structure in the lower righthand corner of the screen. See the steps? See the flat surfaces? Look at the structure in the water at the structure that has a wave breaking over it. You can see straight channels in the larger block if you max it to full screen size. Just like the underwater structures.

Freeze the video at 2:19. You have to time it to freeze in the split second before they warp it with camera tricsk. If you do, then all kinds of flat surfaces and steps and channels and just about everything else that is in the underwater structures is evident.


Imagine what these could be interpreted as if an earthquake tumbled them into the ocean at any of a number of different angles.

 

[Kilik]

Maybe there isn't enough rock fragments, or something like that

Yes, on the one video there are some symmetrical natural(?) formations above water. They are pretty symmetrical. But I think they are maybe not quite the same as the submerged megaliths.

But , with newer discoveries in other areas nearby, I think it resembles the man made structures of some other culture
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/024/english/hilight/024_0022.ram

" Several stone artifacts have been discovered at various locations around Yonaguni-jima, and the image below is of the 'line-engraved tablet' which was recovered from the southern part of Iseki Point ..."
http://www.morien-institute.org/imk5.html