Do Senate Democrats think they are royalty? It would seem so.

[SezMe]

It's apparent that the whole bill is designed to promote a government run ... i.e., public ... option. Eventually. Because it's designed from the ground up to destroy the viability of the private health care insurance industry so that eventually only the government will be left to provide the bulk of all *insurance*.

Surely, then, you can point to all those other, awful, socialist countries where private insurance industry has been "destroyed".

And the government will determine what is and isn't covered.

So? As it is, private insurance companies now make that determination with no appeal route available. This point is merely a right-wing talking point which makes no sense.

 

[Tricky]

I want to see those Republican Senate Anti-hypocrites argue to give the public the same health care they get. When I see that, I'll belive that this is an issue. Until then, I will not pay particular attention to the call of the pots who rail at the kettles.

yes. i don't see why my tax dollars should pay for their healthcare.

Actually, I don't believe that you don't want them to have any health care, but I do believe that you don't want your tax dollars to pay for a "Cadillac" plan for the government workers that the average citizan is not entitled to.

And I agree with you to a point here. Congress, the military, even civil service workers get health care far above the average citizen. This is not something the Republicans have opposed. I don't even totally oppose giving good benefits to those who have served our country, be they soldiers or public servants. But they shouldn't be so ridiculously out of line with what the average citizen receives. Single-payer, government adminsistered health care works for them, so much that their systems are considered better than private systems.

What should we learn from this?

 

[tyr_13]

What should we learn from this?

That I should have taken that job at the DMV?

 

[Tricky]

That I should have taken that job at the DMV?

Careful what you wish for.

 

[332nd]

Actually, I don't believe that you don't want them to have any health care, but I do believe that you don't want your tax dollars to pay for a "Cadillac" plan for the government workers that the average citizan is not entitled to.

And I agree with you to a point here. Congress, the military, even civil service workers get health care far above the average citizen. This is not something the Republicans have opposed. I don't even totally oppose giving good benefits to those who have served our country, be they soldiers or public servants. But they shouldn't be so ridiculously out of line with what the average citizen receives. Single-payer, government adminsistered health care works for them, so much that their systems are considered better than private systems.

What should we learn from this?

That we should make them pay for private health insurance like every one else! Why would we want our government to be socialists!?!??!

 

[Cactus Wren]

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=824262

At the top of the page it says "OneNewsNow, a division of the American Family News Network".

October 2008: 'OneNewsNow is part of the American Family News Network, an offshoot of the American Family Association founded by arch-religious right conservative Donald Wildmon. AFN is dedicated to purveying “Your Latest News From A Christian Perspective.”'

 

[BeAChooser]

You argue like a kindergardener.

Tell us, Joe, how are private insurance companies supposed to be competitive if they have to (by law) offer insurance to people with pre-existing conditions at the same price as they do those without pre-existing conditions? Did you learn your economics in kindergarTen?

 

[BeAChooser]

Quote:
And where do you think the government gets that money?

Taxation, what's your point?

 

[SezMe]

The point, BAC, is that we Americans are going to pay for health care one way or another. The VA, Medicare, etc. have proven to be more efficient and effective. So what do you want, pay through the government or pay twice as much to a private insurance company for less protection? Or maybe this is one of those, "Let 'em eat cake" situations.

 

[BeAChooser]

I want to see those Republican Senate Anti-hypocrites argue to give the public the same health care they get. When I see that, I'll belive that this is an issue.

Where have you been, Tricky? Are you completely unaware of the amendments offered by Senators Tom Coburn (R-Okla) and David Vitter (R-La) that required that the President and all members of Congress and their staffs enroll in any newly-created public health-insurance plan?

Senate democrats consider themselves royalty ... the will of the American people be damned:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/he...in_pct=&max_pct=&grid=&points=&trends=&lines=

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

.. you missed his point, BAC. But you're good at that:

ETA: 1) there is no single payer. and 2) Tricky's arguing they should make the Congressional plan open access to public.

 

[SezMe]

Are you completely unaware of the amendments offered by Senators Tom Coburn (R-Okla) and David Vitter (R-La) that required that the President and all members of Congress and their staffs enroll in any newly-created public health-insurance plan?

Are you completely unaware that those amendments were a political stunt that they did not intend to pass but were intended to embarrass the Dems. IIRC, Sen. Harkin and others called them on their bluff and tried to co-sponsor the legislation. The Elephants would have none of it and it died.

Sheesh, you, BAC, being the political animal that you are, should not have been taken in by Republican Stupid Tricks. Beer goggles?

 

[BeAChooser]

The VA, Medicare, etc. have proven to be more efficient and effective.

LOL!

http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/veterans/article857001.ece "Dying veteran says busy VA hospital refused to admit him"

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_veterans_040904,00.html "Fourteen years ago, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation ignited a firestorm about conditions and competence inside Veterans Administration hospitals. Recently, there have been new stories of misdiagnosis, disastrous management and deficient care at some of the nation's 162 facilities."

http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090601_9856.php "Auditor blasts VA for poor IT management and oversight"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldne...-if-health-care-costs-are-not-reigned-in.html "The president said that the costs of Medicare and Medicaid are on an “unsustainable” trajectory and if there is no action taken to bring them down, “the federal government will go bankrupt.” Oh yeah ... that sounds like a *proven* model of efficiency. And tell us, SM, do you know what an unfunded liability is? Medicare has a REALLY big one.

 

[BeAChooser]

Tricky's arguing they should make the Congressional plan open access to public.

At what cost? Do you know the cost of the Congressional plan? If he's suggesting that, then he clearly isn't concerned about exploding health care costs. Because that cost is MUCH higher than the current national average.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

I can't speak for his rationale.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I asked, what was your point. A cartoon face is not a point.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Tell us, Joe, how are private insurance companies supposed to be competitive if they have to (by law) offer insurance to people with pre-existing conditions at the same price as they do those without pre-existing conditions?

They'll compete with one another under the new regulations just as they did under the old ones.

Duh.

 

[Dr Adequate]

LOL!

http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/veterans/article857001.ece "Dying veteran says busy VA hospital refused to admit him"

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_veterans_040904,00.html "Fourteen years ago, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation ignited a firestorm about conditions and competence inside Veterans Administration hospitals. Recently, there have been new stories of misdiagnosis, disastrous management and deficient care at some of the nation's 162 facilities."

http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090601_9856.php "Auditor blasts VA for poor IT management and oversight"

Oh look, anecdotes.

One word --- "rescission".

No-one claims that the government is always perfect, just that under certain circumstances it's better than the alternatives. You have instanced alleged failures of the VA --- but will you tell us that veterans would be better off without it?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldne...-if-health-care-costs-are-not-reigned-in.html "The president said that the costs of Medicare and Medicaid are on an “unsustainable” trajectory and if there is no action taken to bring them down, “the federal government will go bankrupt.” Oh yeah ... that sounds like a *proven* model of efficiency.

I guess that that's why this bill that is causing all your hysterics reins in costs.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Where have you been, Tricky? Are you completely unaware of the amendments offered by Senators Tom Coburn (R-Okla) and David Vitter (R-La) that required that the President and all members of Congress and their staffs enroll in any newly-created public health-insurance plan?

You remember how you started a thread on this idiocy and we laughed your dumb garbage to death?

 

[Dr Adequate]

Speaking of which, why are military beneficiaries and vets so eager to be shielded from the *wonders* of Health Care Reform?

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,206499,00.html

Even when it comes to someone whom I like as little as you, it is still embarrassing to watch you cut your own throat in public. We are, after all, both members of the same species. Please try to be less wrong. I do not enjoy the sensation of feeling sorry for you.