Do Senate Democrats think they are royalty? It would seem so.

[BeAChooser]

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...Care-for-themselves-force-it-on-everyone-else

Senate hypocrites refuse ObamaCare for themselves, force it on everyone else

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The health care legislation about to be passed by the U.S. Senate requires all Americans to purchase health insurance. All Americans, that is, except for the Senate, other members of Congress and their staff. The Democrats refuse to even allow vote on the matter.

 

[Dr Adequate]

You appear to have been duped into talking garbage by a liar and a fool.

In other news, the sun rose in the East this morning.

 

[Eyeron]

Why is the article a lie?

 

[Thunder]

this is a stupid topic.

 

[BeAChooser]

You appear to have been duped into talking garbage by a liar and a fool.

Here's what a REAL liar said not long ago, Dr Adequate ...

I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes. And here's what you need to know. First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future. I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Why is the article a lie?

Well, look at the first sentence:

The health care legislation about to be passed by the U.S. Senate requires all Americans to purchase health insurance.​

No it doesn't.

 

[BeAChooser]

this is a stupid topic.

Why? You think it's stupid to question why members of Congress keep passing laws to which they are exempt? They force the majority of Americans into public schools that have failed half the kids in the 50 largest school disticts (including Washington DC's) then send their own kids to private schools. They voted in Social Security then made themselves exempt. In the midst of a recession they vote increases in their own pay. And now they are going to force Americans to buy health insurance ... but again exempt themselves. They seem to act like royalty if you ask me. But then maybe you don't object to royalty.

 

[BeAChooser]

Well, look at the first sentence:

The health care legislation about to be passed by the U.S. Senate requires all Americans to purchase health insurance.​

No it doesn't.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=824262

The "individual responsibility" provision in Section 1501 of the Senate healthcare bill (H.R. 3590) requires anyone who fails to buy a "qualifying" health insurance plan to pay an annual tax penalty of $750 per adult family member and $375 per child, or up to a maximum penalty of $2,250 per family.

I guess technically you're correct. You can "choose" not to buy insurance and then just be penalized. But then that's just like playing games with the word "is". There's another word this law is playing games with. "Insurance". You see, this approach will allow someone to save thousands of dollars a year by not buying the "insurance" for a family member until that family member gets seriously sick. Because then the law states that the person can not be refused "insurance" due to a pre-condition. And it states that the pre-condition cannot be a factor in the cost of that "insurance". So in essense, if people work the system right, they can get a virtually free ride up to the point they need hundred thousand dollar medical treatments. They'll get those treatments without ever putting any significant money into the "insurance" program. Hard to call what they buy "insurance", without completely diminishing the meaning of the word "insurance". Hard to imagine this is anything but a scheme to destroy real insurance companies. And it's hard to imagine why anyone will choose to do anything other than pay the penalty until one really needs "insurance". Why we'd almost be fools to do that.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I guess technically you're correct. You can "choose" not to buy insurance and then just be penalized.

Or you can be one of the people who is not required to purchase health insurance.

 

[332nd]

Who pays for the Senate's health care plan as it stands now?

 

[BeAChooser]

Or you can be one of the people who is not required to purchase health insurance.

You mean ... become a Senator?

 

[332nd]

You mean ... become a Senator?

Who pays for the Senate's health care plan as it stands now?

Exactly!

 

[Puppycow]

You mean ... become a Senator?

Or a member of the armed forces for example.
Or a Christian Scientist.

 

[Puppycow]

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same plans available to other federal employees.

Federal Employees Health Benefits Program

The Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program can help you and your family meet your health care needs. Federal employees, retirees and their survivors enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country. You can choose from among Consumer-Driven and High Deductible plans that offer catastrophic risk protection with higher deductibles, health savings/reimbursable accounts and lower premiums, or Fee-for-Service (FFS) plans, and their Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO), or Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO) if you live (or sometimes if you work) within the area serviced by the plan.

Use this site to compare the costs, benefits, and features of different plans. We chose the different benefit categories based on enrollee requests, differences among plans, and simplicity. However, we urge you to consider the total benefit package, in addition to service and cost, and provider availability when choosing a health plan.

 

[Dr Adequate]

You mean ... become a Senator?

Or do any other job where your employer provides you with health benefits (like 59.7% of people with healthcare) or have it paid for by the government (like 27.0% of people with healthcare). Senators, of course, fall into both categories, and therefore, like the vast majority of Americans, are not obliged to purchase health care, and, like them, will in fact not be eligible to participate in the Health Exchange Scheme.

Therefore, the moron who wrote that the legislation "requires all Americans to purchase health insurance", and that apart from Congressmen "the rest of the nation" would be buying through Health Exchange Schemes, was, as I have pointed out, a liar and a fool, as was Grassley when he claimed that Health Exchange Schemes would be "imposed on the rest of the country".

A liar, because it is obviously untrue, and a fool, because, really, how many people are going to be dumb enough to fall for a lie that transparent?

 

[BeAChooser]

Or a member of the armed forces for example.

Speaking of which, why are military beneficiaries and vets so eager to be shielded from the *wonders* of Health Care Reform?

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,206499,00.html

 

[BeAChooser]

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscong...ongresspay.htm

Quote:
Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same plans available to other federal employees.

LOL!

http://public-healthcare-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/health_care_for_the_us_congress "Politicians Receive the Country’s Best Care - at Taxpayers' Expense"

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/02/nation/na-congress-benefits2 "Congress' own healthcare benefits: membership has its privileges"

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/congress-health-care-clinic/story?id=8706655 "Special Health Care for Congress: Lawmakers' Health Care Perks"

 

[BeAChooser]

Or do any other job where your employer provides you with health benefits (like 59.7% of people with healthcare)

LOL! The new laws will assess penalties against employers that don't provide health benefits. For example, the Senate version states that firms with more than 50 workers will have to pay a fine of $750 annually per worker if any of their employees obtain federally subsidized coverage. And the bill requires employers with health plans to provide cash vouchers to lower-income workers to obtain insurance on the exchange. Both individuals and employers are being forced to obtain health insurance ... or else. That's the reality. And again, the provisions/penalties are such that employers are going to be more likely to drop employer coverage ... throwing individuals onto the individual mandate and the whims of the federal exchange.

or have it paid for by the government (like 27.0% of people with healthcare)

And where do you think the government gets that money?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Why is the article a lie?

For one thing, there are several exceptions to the individual mandate. (Religious objections and financial hardships, IIRC.)

For another, Congress is not exempt from the requirement to have health insurance; it's just that theirs is already paid for by the taxpayers. People who still enjoy insurance entirely paid for by their employers are also not exempt from the requirement to have coverage; it's just that someone else is paying for it.

In these situations, presumably, that benefit is considered part of compensation for doing that particular job.

Heck, if you had a rich uncle who was kind enough to buy you insurance, you also aren't exempt from the requirement to have coverage. It's just that you got someone else to pay for it for you.

 

[MattusMaximus]