Do Democrats only win through voter fraud?

Aridas said:
Well, by the look of it, the last four numbers of their Social Security Numbers don't match, in that category, since those were represented as an entirely different category. Chances are pretty high that most to all the similarities here are coincidental.



It looked like this was addressed a bit in another one of the numbers quoted, so it looks like you should have read a bit more closely.



The around 36,000 number was specifically for cases where people registered with the same names and birthdays voted in multiple states, so... reading a bit more closely would have helped, again. There's a separate and dramatically smaller category for people with the same names, birthdays, and matching last four digits of their social security number, either way.

Regardless, the author of the article was trying to stir up outrage by misrepresenting relevant things. It's an annoyingly common tactic, sadly.
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Ok, my apologies. I missed that these numbers are supposed to be of actual voters. As the 36000 number is brought up as 36000 cases of potential voter fraud, it is still a ridiculous claim. At best they have 860 or so potential cases of fraud, and until there is an investigation, they have no evidence either way. As there is no investigation pending, I see nothing more here.
 
Democratic voters across this country are voting four times, five times, 10 times each for the Democrats.
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I heard it was four or five-hundred times !!11!!

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My take on the quote is thus: if tens of thousands of Democratic voters are voting this often, and the Republicans cannot catch even a tiny fraction of them, then the Democrats deserve to win.

Do you know how hard it is for tens of thousands of people to keep the same secret?
 
Ladewig said:
I heard it was four or five-hundred times !!11!!

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My take on the quote is thus: if tens of thousands of Democratic voters are voting this often, and the Republicans cannot catch even a tiny fraction of them, then the Democrats deserve to win.

Do you know how hard it is for tens of thousands of people to keep the same secret?
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The bigger question is, if the Democrats are doing this, how are they losing any elections?
 
I live in a rented apartment. A couple of weeks ago I got a new voter reg card...and three more, for people who lived here 3, 4, and 5 years ago. Since my state doesn't have a picture ID requirement, I'm wondering what would have stopped me from voting four times? As long as I didn't get recognized by the razorsharp senses and catlike alertness of Agnes and Gladys and Ethel, the poll volunteers (they have 430 years of experience between them!)...

Not that I'd wait in that line four times. I mean, because of honesty. No seriously, the lines are horrible.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I live in a rented apartment. A couple of weeks ago I got a new voter reg card...and three more, for people who lived here 3, 4, and 5 years ago. Since my state doesn't have a picture ID requirement, I'm wondering what would have stopped me from voting four times? As long as I didn't get recognized by the razorsharp senses and catlike alertness of Agnes and Gladys and Ethel, the poll volunteers (they have 430 years of experience between them!)...

Not that I'd wait in that line four times. I mean, because of honesty. No seriously, the lines are horrible.
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I don't think anyone could really argue that under the current system voter fraud couldn't happen a great deal. As you say there is little inherent in the overall system that would prevent a determined person from committing voter fraud.

It just doesn't seem to. None of the Right's panic about voter fraud has ever really panned out under scrutiny. Regardless of how easy it would be it just doesn't to be a thing that really happens a lot.

As noted GOP attempts at voter disenchantment are a lot more documented then actual voter fraud.
 
http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topics/how-did-obama-win-2012

What is the shocking secret that may explain how Obama got a second term?

A study done in North Carolina showed that 35,750 people who live and voted in North Carolina may have voted in another state in the 2012 Presidential election. The study was based on comparing the first and last names along with date of birth for people who voted in 28 other states. In 765 of those cases, social security numbers matched as well.

This number would have probably been larger but only 28 states participated and the four largest states, California, New York, Texas and Florida did not participate.

If you extrapolate this figure out over the entire population, that could be over one million double votes in 2012.

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Democrats are not winning elections. They are taking them the old fashioned way. They are stealing them.
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Apparently all these alleged double voters were Democrats even though the tortured data being used to base this around had no indication of political affiliation.
 
So strange to see conservatives accusing Democrats of stealing elections...

Well, it's not strange, just wrong. It's the Republicans that are doing everything they can to lower the number of people participating in democracy.
 
...do you seriously think that this ranting and howling about "voter fraud" in the age of the first black president is actually coincidental?

Truthfully, they've been on this for years - GWB pushed investigations that turned up virtually nothing - although it was Obama's election that really freaked them out and kicked this "voter fraud" thing into high gear. And that was when republicans started to seriously push ID laws - along with shutting down early voting, closing places to actually get ID, and so forth.
 
Well, I think it's sweet. Give the paleos something to cling to. And let Fox News continue selling them on the fact that their minority voice is really the majority, so they'll keep nominating more and more idiots and lose more and more elections.

So, yes.... it's true Tea Party minions. You are the REAL Americans. You aren't losing elections because you nominate clowns. The evil minorities, immigrants, homos and commies are stealing the elections. It has nothing to do with the fact that your mindset is outdated by about four decades. You stand on principle and keep nominating Lester Maddox clones. That world inside your cable TV is real! You're going to win,... I'm certain.
 
Mumbles said:
...do you seriously think that this ranting and howling about "voter fraud" in the age of the first black president is actually coincidental?
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No.

Truthfully, they've been on this for years - GWB pushed investigations that turned up virtually nothing - although it was Obama's election that really freaked them out and kicked this "voter fraud" thing into high gear.
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Good thing, then, that racism is dead and buried in the US, right? Well, except for those evil n-words who keep playing the race card, of course.

And that was when republicans started to seriously push ID laws - along with shutting down early voting, closing places to actually get ID, and so forth.
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Which, of course, only proves that the Democrats are turning the US into a dictatorship.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Well, I think it's sweet. Give the paleos something to cling to. And let Fox News continue selling them on the fact that their minority voice is really the majority, so they'll keep nominating more and more idiots and lose more and more elections.

So, yes.... it's true Tea Party minions. You are the REAL Americans. You aren't losing elections because you nominate clowns. The evil minorities, immigrants, homos and commies are stealing the elections. It has nothing to do with the fact that your mindset is outdated by about four decades. You stand on principle and keep nominating Lester Maddox clones. That world inside your cable TV is real! You're going to win,... I'm certain.
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More like 6 decades! Ok, at least 5, which would put them circa 1964, and by then the boomers were already active and the Beats had been stirring it up for over ten years. Ideas were in the air! The examples of radical change in lifestyles that filled the huge Whole Earth Catalogue were already being put into practice!

These Tea Party dupes and their fore runners were always just too myopic to see the world opening up like a blossoming flower all around them.
 
As a European spectator I must confess that I find US politics a fascinating spectacle. One half of Americans are dead certain that their team of professional wrestlers are wonderful saviors of humanity while the other half are convinced they`re lowlife criminals, tinfoil hat wearing kooks and either communists or Nazis.
At the risk of being caught in the crossfire of all this vitriol I can report that I have found claims, apparently credible, of vote fraud both ways during the time I`ve been paying attention to this. ACORN was caught in 2006 having Bugs Bunny, Jive Turkey and a lot of graveyards in Chicago and stuff voting for Obama in the Senate race. Apparently six of the 19 9/11 hijackers turned up to vote for him as well:)

Type in acorn vote fraud and go to RottenAcorn site for a list of examples. I`m not allowed to post URLs on account of being new here.

On the other hand the republicans obviously stole the 2000 election through judicial fraud, not that Gore would have been much better, and in general are responsible for more vote fraud than even the democrats, if you can believe it. In addition one of the favorite forms of republican election frauds is to disenfranchise voters they`re not likely to get support from, which is what they did in Florida in 2000 by halting the vote count before the votes of poor and black parts of the electorate were counted. This is of course precisely how the Roman Republic would do things as well. The rich voted first and if they all agreed the elections were stopped.
Typing "republican vote fraud" into a search engine should pretty much do the trick here. I`d post a URL but again I`m not allowed to yet.

Anyways, back to the wrestling match. Don`t let me intrude:)
 
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Skulb said:
As a European spectator I must confess that I find US politics a fascinating spectacle. One half of Americans are dead certain that their team of professional wrestlers are wonderful saviors of humanity while the other half are convinced they`re lowlife criminals, tinfoil hat wearing kooks and either communists or Nazis.
At the risk of being caught in the crossfire of all this vitriol I can report that I have found claims, apparently credible, of vote fraud both ways during the time I`ve been paying attention to this. ACORN was caught in 2006 having Bugs Bunny, Jive Turkey and a lot of graveyards in Chicago and stuff voting for Obama in the Senate race. Apparently six of the 19 9/11 hijackers turned up to vote for him as well:)

Type in acorn vote fraud and go to RottenAcorn site for a list of examples. I`m not allowed to post URLs on account of being new here.

On the other hand the republicans obviously stole the 2000 election through judicial fraud, not that Gore would have been much better, and in general are responsible for more vote fraud than even the democrats, if you can believe it. In addition one of the favorite forms of republican election frauds is to disenfranchise voters they`re not likely to get support from, which is what they did in Florida in 2000 by halting the vote count before the votes of poor and black parts of the electorate were counted. This is of course precisely how the Roman Republic would do things as well. The rich voted first and if they all agreed the elections were stopped.
Typing "republican vote fraud" into a search engine should pretty much do the trick here. I`d post a URL but again I`m not allowed to yet.

Anyways, back to the wrestling match. Don`t let me intrude:)
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Welcome to the forums,...... but.....

You might want to do a little checking on the tales from Rotten Acorn. First, the item hasn't been updated in years. Second, the GAO and California and Massachusetts AG offices cleared them of the infamous embezzlement accusations and the charge of voter fraud.

More important, Rotten Acorn is a site run by a public relations firm masquerading as an "institute". Google Employment Policies Institute. That's one of their sites. (I won't link to their site. Principle. But anyone can find it and verify what I'm saying.)
 
Foolmewunz said:
Welcome to the forums,...... but.....

You might want to do a little checking on the tales from Rotten Acorn. First, the item hasn't been updated in years. Second, the GAO and California and Massachusetts AG offices cleared them of the infamous embezzlement accusations and the charge of voter fraud.

More important, Rotten Acorn is a site run by a public relations firm masquerading as an "institute". Google Employment Policies Institute. That's one of their sites. (I won't link to their site. Principle. But anyone can find it and verify what I'm saying.)
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Alright I`ll keep that in mind. Since I`m not allowed to post links here yet I didn`t look too carefully at the link. But accusations against acorn of fraud I`m pretty sure I`ve seen in many different places. Are you saying it`s all made up and that only republicans do vote fraud?
 
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Skulb said:
Alright I`ll keep that in mind. Since I`m not allowed to post links here yet I didn`t look too carefully at the link. But accusations against acorn of fraud I`m pretty sure I`ve seen in many different places. Are you saying it`s all made up and that only republicans do vote fraud?
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It seems you have yet to learn that "accusation" is not the same as "something actually happened".

If you simply take everything that is claimed at face value, you won´t be getting anywhere - at least not anywhere near the truth.
 
Chaos said:
It seems you have yet to learn that "accusation" is not the same as "something actually happened".

If you simply take everything that is claimed at face value, you won´t be getting anywhere - at least not anywhere near the truth.
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Well, yes, I realize that. But it goes both ways right? And if you`re rigorous enough, as in Karl Popper rigorous, then nothing can ever be 100% proven, only more or less confirmed. And back to my crude wrestling analogy, it seems to me that supporters of the democrats dismiss all allegations of fraud against the democrats instantly, while supporters of the republicans do the same thing with the allegations against them.
As someone who is truly neutral on the matter, and who also has a powerful distrust of all politicians, media and bureaucrats, I tend to instinctively believe all allegations of such people committing fraud because it confirms my bleak world view. In fact I would start digging for verification as soon as someone told me a politician had been honest, and would check my watch if one told me the time of day.

Oh well. Thanks for the advice anyway.
 
Skulb said:
Alright I`ll keep that in mind. Since I`m not allowed to post links here yet I didn`t look too carefully at the link. But accusations against acorn of fraud I`m pretty sure I`ve seen in many different places. Are you saying it`s all made up and that only republicans do vote fraud?
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No. Pretty sure that no one here has claimed that only Republicans do vote fraud. With that said, last time I looked into ACORN was when my Tea Party friend was bashing it. When I looked into the claims... it looked like they generally didn't hold water. Like many of the politically related claims that he's made, especially then. With that said, Mike!'s link is pretty much a case in point to the quality of Republican arguments that I generally see on the subject. Take valid data, skew it wildly and ignore things, then make claims that really don't work when looked at more objectively.

In short, the Republicans, despite their bluster, have been completely unable to make a good case for the usefulness of their efforts to curtail a specific form of voter fraud that accounts for a negligible amount of voter fraud, despite lots of bad arguments. The bad arguments are what's being focused on more, as a note, and the gullibility of those who just accept them.
 
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