Do Democrats only win through voter fraud?

[jhunter1163]

Alright I`ll keep that in mind. Since I`m not allowed to post links here yet I didn`t look too carefully at the link. But accusations against acorn of fraud I`m pretty sure I`ve seen in many different places. Are you saying it`s all made up and that only republicans do vote fraud?

You only need 15 posts to be able to post links; you should be good to go now.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Alright I`ll keep that in mind. Since I`m not allowed to post links here yet I didn`t look too carefully at the link. But accusations against acorn of fraud I`m pretty sure I`ve seen in many different places. Are you saying it`s all made up and that only republicans do vote fraud?

Well, no. That's not what I'm saying at all. If I'd said that it would've been in my post. I'm saying that Karl Popper would not have cited the poster boy for falsified studies as source material for claims or accusations.

 

[Chaos]

Well, yes, I realize that. But it goes both ways right? And if you`re rigorous enough, as in Karl Popper rigorous, then nothing can ever be 100% proven, only more or less confirmed. And back to my crude wrestling analogy, it seems to me that supporters of the democrats dismiss all allegations of fraud against the democrats instantly, while supporters of the republicans do the same thing with the allegations against them.
As someone who is truly neutral on the matter, and who also has a powerful distrust of all politicians, media and bureaucrats, I tend to instinctively believe all allegations of such people committing fraud because it confirms my bleak world view. In fact I would start digging for verification as soon as someone told me a politician had been honest, and would check my watch if one told me the time of day.

Oh well. Thanks for the advice anyway.

Even a "powerful distrust of all politicians" - which I share, by the way - shouldn´t get into the way of checking the claims made by both sides and discarding those that turn out to be false. Because, if one side´s claims are mostly right, and the other side´s claims are mostly wrong, simply believing both or neither, as you seem to be doing, is an idiotic position to take.

 

[Aridas]

Even a "powerful distrust of all politicians" - which I share, by the way -

I'd hope that a lot of people share such, honestly. There's a lot of dishonesty that's slung about by both Democrats and Republicans. I would include other parties, but I have seen too little of the other parties in the first place to reasonably include them.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

ACORN was caught in 2006 having Bugs Bunny, Jive Turkey and a lot of graveyards in Chicago and stuff voting for Obama in the Senate race. Apparently six of the 19 9/11 hijackers turned up to vote for him as well

No. You are confusing voter registration with actual votes. And you are confused by what the actual issue was. Acorn was paying people to go out and get voters registered. They paid these people by the number of registrations they got. The more voters registered, they more money those people got. Some of those people were unscrupulous and filled out fake registrations in order to get more pay. Acorn noticed that there were a bunch of registrations that seemed obviously fake, but by law, they could not just toss them out. So they turned them in anyways (IIRC, they even flagged the suspicious ones).

 

[bonzombiekitty]

I live in a rented apartment. A couple of weeks ago I got a new voter reg card...and three more, for people who lived here 3, 4, and 5 years ago. Since my state doesn't have a picture ID requirement, I'm wondering what would have stopped me from voting four times? As long as I didn't get recognized by the razorsharp senses and catlike alertness of Agnes and Gladys and Ethel, the poll volunteers (they have 430 years of experience between them!)...

But here's the thing. I don't know about your particular voting precinct, but where I vote, the precincts aren't very big. I believe some precincts around here only have hundred or so registered voters (hence why Romney got 0 votes in many precincts). Multiple precincts vote at the same location, but each precinct has its own line and workers. If I attempted to vote multiple times, there is a fairly good chance that someone would notice me having come through the line multiple times. They don't need to know who I actually am, just that I had been there before. So if they do catch on, I am in big trouble. Is it really worth the risk?

IMO, the clear answer to that is no, it's not. The return on being able to vote more then once is so low that it doesn't nearly approach being worth the risk involved.

 

[Muldur]

Voter fraud is practically non-existent in this country. Think about it -- it would be incredibly difficult to organize it with any impactful numbers and still keep it secret. Now, does the occasional criminal, like Ann Coulter, register and vote from a fraudulent address? Sure. But it's no where near enough to change an election result.

Voter fraud on the "retail" level (that is, individual fraudulent voters who cast illegal ballots) is pretty rare. This is the classic "Chicago Democratic Machine" model of voter fraud.

"Wholesale" voter fraud (vote suppression efforts, hacking voting machines, etc) is pretty common, and almost 100% committed by Republicans.

 

[Aridas]

"Wholesale" voter fraud (vote suppression efforts, hacking voting machines, etc) is pretty common, and almost 100% committed by Republicans.

So, do you have evidence that hacking voting machines is almost always committed by Republicans?

 

[The_Animus]

I keep asking, If there is massive voter fraud, where is all the prosecutions from republican AGs? I never get an answer.

This applies to either side really. Lots of accusations in this thread. Still zero evidence.

 

[jhunter1163]

Voter fraud on the "retail" level (that is, individual fraudulent voters who cast illegal ballots) is pretty rare. This is the classic "Chicago Democratic Machine" model of voter fraud.

"Wholesale" voter fraud (vote suppression efforts, hacking voting machines, etc) is pretty common, and almost 100% committed by Republicans.

I hate to be a party pooper, but I gotta ask for evidence on this one.

 

[Muldur]

To begin with, nearly all the ultimate owners of voting machine companies either are Republican or have Republican ties.

Next we have the evidence of the massive vote suppression effort in Florida: voter role purges that were illegitimate, manipulating poling places and hours of operation, etc.

Some good documentaries on manipulation of elections:

http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Democracy-Bev-Harris/dp/B000MKXF28

http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=107

http://www.amazon.com/Unprecedented...&qid=1398057958&sr=1-1&keywords=unprecedented

http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=178

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/reviews.html

http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Spies-Voting-Clint-Curtis/dp/B001FCLQ78

 

[thaiboxerken]

That is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence. However, I don't know that there is evidence that the Right has pulled the trigger on that gun just yet.