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Do atheists assist Islamic radicals?

Travis

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In another thread I asked why one Republican candidate would believe a Secular and Atheistic America would be dominated by Islamic radicals.

And the opinion was eventually put forth that atheists do it unwittingly or as part of a desire to be anti-Christian.

So what do you think? Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?

Because personally I have not.

I hope the mods don't mind both threads. The other one is supposed to be about the political side.
 
I don't imagine not believing in god would necessarily prevent you from doing...well, most things, really.

I don't hear much about atheists, to be honest. Occasional news stories about "taking over Christmas displays," ;) or "posters on the sides of city busses," that sort of thing. So I can't say I've ever heard of it.

But I'd have no problem imagining such a thing.
 
This is a reformatting of the old : "if you are not with us you are against us" PLOY.

Combine that with our western and american civilization is mostly christian ..... So what they are trying is to say that if you are not a christian you are aiding the enemy.

So this is a PATRIOTISM/TRIBALISM RALLYING RUSE..... nothing more.
 
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Monochromatic world view. Atheists don't believe what I believe, they are evil. Muslims don't believe what I believe, they are evil. Evil works with evil so therefore...

Twenty years ago atheists were (supposedly) hand in had with "godless communism." Today it's "godless (well, the wrong god) Islam." Twenty years from now it'll be the"godless Buddhists" or some such.
 
Robrob said:
Monochromatic world view. Atheists don't believe what I believe, they are evil. Muslims don't believe what I believe, they are evil. Evil works with evil so therefore...

Twenty years ago atheists were (supposedly) hand in had with "godless communism." Today it's "godless (well, the wrong god) Islam." Twenty years from now it'll be the"godless Buddhists" or some such.
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Well said...it is better than my attempt.... :thumbsup:
 
I believe some might do so, and willingly at that. But so may some Christians. You ask me the author of the other thread is probably tilting at windmills.
 
Leumas said:
This is a reformatting of the old : "if you are not with us you are against us" PLOY.

Combine that with our western and american civilization is mostly christian ..... So what they are trying is to say that if you are not a christian you are aiding the enemy.

So this is a PATRIOTISM/TRIBALISM RALLYING RUSE..... nothing more.
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It's an updated McCarthy-style "Red Scare" PLOY. Islamist plus atheist boogie men. Add in the Freemasons and you'd have a really exciting election campaign! "I have a list ... "
 
Mudcat said:
I believe some might do so, and willingly at that. But so may some Christians. You ask me the author of the other thread is probably tilting at windmills.
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Hey I'm just the messenger here.

Wait, wouldn't that make me Cervantes? :cool:
 
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I don't hear much about atheists, to be honest.
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You actually do, but you don't know if the folks who just made the news were atheists or not. You don't hear much about atheism, though, coz the position got nothing to offer - it's based on across-the-board rejection - as opposed to the New Age movement, for example, which can come up with scenarios that Hollywood finds attractive enough to imprint them on celluloid. Even down'n'out Christianity is far more inspiring ("The Da Vinci Code") than atheism.
 
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You actually do, but you don't know if the folks who just made the news were atheists or not. You don't hear much about atheism, though, coz the position got nothing to offer - it's based on across-the-board rejection - as opposed to the New Age movement, for example, which can come up with scenarios that Hollywood finds attractive enough to imprint them on celluloid. Even down'n'out Christianity is far more inspiring ("The Da Vinci Code") than atheism.
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Atheism is based on reality.
 
Travis said:
In another thread I asked why one Republican candidate would believe a Secular and Atheistic America would be dominated by Islamic radicals.

And the opinion was eventually put forth that atheists do it unwittingly or as part of a desire to be anti-Christian.

So what do you think? Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?

Because personally I have not.
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Very difficult to answer. Thing is, if we're talking about the Newt mindset, it's confused and stupid, gets all the categories wrong, is made for the wrong reasons, etc. and so forth and so on. There is also a hard kernel of truth in it, and yes, I have observed it.

It's not by atheists qua atheists, but it's associated with the kinds of environments that seem to attract atheists, what used to be called a liberal education and environments wherein that happens. Nor is is so much a "yay, Islamic radicals!" but more sort of a radical "pay no attention to the Islamist behind the curtain."
 
Gawdzilla said:
No slander or libel is off the table when it comes to attacking atheists.
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Newt is a catholic who was a baptist who was a lutheran. Not so much a newt as a chameleon, so it shouldn't be surprising he's confused.
 
Travis said:
Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?
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Hey, I do it all the time. What could possibly be a better idea for an atheist than assisting a bunch of bigots who have an even dimmer view of atheism than Christian fundies? Sign me up for one of them godless infidel seats on the Jihad train, please.
 
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You actually do, but you don't know if the folks who just made the news were atheists or not. You don't hear much about atheism, though, coz the position got nothing to offer - it's based on across-the-board rejection - as opposed to the New Age movement, for example, which can come up with scenarios that Hollywood finds attractive enough to imprint them on celluloid. Even down'n'out Christianity is far more inspiring ("The Da Vinci Code") than atheism.
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Sweetheart, don't tell me what atheism is. I'm atheist. And don't tell me what Christianity is. I was a Christian. I was immersed in it from birth; my father's mother saw to that. I didn't really know my dad, but I spent a lot of time at his mother's house, out in the boonies of the Ouachita Forest. I read Guideposts for fun; watched Oral Roberts and Billy Graham and the Gospel Jubilee; I was slain in the spirit and spoke in tongues and danced in holy ecstasy in the aisles. We were just a couple of steps removed from the poison-drinking snake-handlers, dear heart.

Don't tell me about Christianity.

I read the bible cover-to-cover more times than most people even pick the damned thing up. At one time, I knew whole swathes of it by heart, and can still cite verses with the best of 'em. I went to Vacation Bible School, and learned all the songs, and collected all the colorful bible story cards in sunday school, and I was a bloody christian, down to my very bones, and never once, not one time, did christianity ever live up to its promises to me. It made a lot of promises to me, and all of them empty.

Please spare me the tired and trite "you sound like you're really angry at god" line of horse droppings, too. No, I'm not mad at god. God's not there.

If I'm mad at anybody, it's at people like you who want me to think this religion is such a good thing, such a blessed and miraculous thing, such a desirous and wondrous thing that you have to threaten to burn me alive for all eternity unless I accept it!
Go ahead and ask me why I hate god; I'll just turn around and ask you why you hate everybody else.
 
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Travis said:
In another thread I asked why one Republican candidate would believe a Secular and Atheistic America would be dominated by Islamic radicals.

And the opinion was eventually put forth that atheists do it unwittingly or as part of a desire to be anti-Christian.

So what do you think? Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?

Because personally I have not.

I hope the mods don't mind both threads. The other one is supposed to be about the political side.
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Well I am not sure how many atheists were among the CIA operatives in the 1980s nor how many atheists there were in the Reagan government. But I do know that many of them were devout christians.

Both these organizations gave aid and money and arms and training and support from space and from the ground and from the sky and in all possible ways legal or illegal or clandestine or overt
"to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war"​

They were called Mujahedeen and the Holy War was against the USSR.

Now we call them terrorists and the holy war is against our side of the now defunct iron curtain.

He who does not know history is doomed to repeat it.
History is inclined to repeat itself.
There is nothing new under the sun my son.​
 
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