Differences in Sex Development (aka "intersex")

Like I said.

Rolfe said:
The [TRAs] have an argument that seems to go, "some people have anomalies in their sex chromosomes and some people have congenital malformations of their sex organs, therefore normal intact men with no anomalies of either chromosomes or sex organs should be allowed to claim the identity of "woman" and enter all women's intimate spaces. Hairy cock and balls and all." No it makes no sense.
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theprestige said:
There are two obviously different sexes. The vast majority of people develop in ways that make them easily divided into the two obviously different sexes. In some extreme edge cases the division becomes somewhat more difficult.

And, as always, this is about traducing some very rare edge cases into justification for claiming that transsexual identity really does transcend the biological binary of sex.
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With a LOT of blurring between the two, more than those with an axe to grind are willing to admit. Because the same tissues give rise to the external organs of both sexes, the degree of sex-normative appearance varies from individual to individual. There's the foot-long males, who are the extreme end of the obviously-male spectrum, and the females who have almost no externally visible clitoris. Then there's the labia, same tissue which form the scrotum, and the wide variety of morphologies those tissues can show (of which we have decided which are 'normal', and which require surgical involvement).

And that's only the externally visible bits. When I went through microbiology one of the tests the class used to do was genotyping where students would spot out their blood to show whether they were XX or XY, and the professor said why we no longer did the test is that students kept finding out they were XXX or XYY or even more chromosomes and that's not a private way to find out such a private (and potentially damaging, with the belief that extra sex chromosomes damage the person, making them more prone to crime and less intelligent) medical datum. That's why I say that the rate of genetypic abnormalities is unknown, because 'students in a particular class at a particular university' are not a representative group---but obviously extra sex chromosomes aren't *that* damaging, if they've made it to college.

I really don't know why anyone wants to staunchly defend a public restroom. I've cleaned them both, and there's nothing sacred about a women's restroom, nor about a men's. They're both places with toilets and sinks. Wouldn't it be better to seek to protect something like a lactation room, only needed for the sacred arts of motherhood? (TERFs are still ignoring FtM I note)
 
theprestige said:
And, as always, this is about traducing some very rare edge cases into justification for claiming that transsexual identity really does transcend the biological binary of sex.
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People will always try to find justifications for their behavior - and who are we to deny them? It's not like we haven't done the same...
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I really don't know why anyone wants to staunchly defend a public restroom. I've cleaned them both, and there's nothing sacred about a women's restroom, nor about a men's. They're both places with toilets and sinks. Wouldn't it be better to seek to protect something like a lactation room, only needed for the sacred arts of motherhood? (TERFs are still ignoring FtM I note)
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Which planet do you live on?
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
(TERFs are still ignoring FtM I note)
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As well they should be, in a thread which isn't about unambiguous F's who want to be perceived as M's, but rather those who have not been blessed with unambiguous sexual morphology.

I get that LGBTQ has recently gained an "I" at the end, but that doesn't mean we have to discuss all the letters in any thread about any one of them.

Happy Pride Month, BTW.
 
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Also, everyone's forgetting about the SRY gene and its role in sex determination (or confusion). There are probably several other genes that are involved too, according to the research scientists. So it really isn't just a binary. Look up an overview of it.
 
deadrose said:
Also, everyone's forgetting about the SRY gene and its role in sex determination (or confusion). There are probably several other genes that are involved too, according to the research scientists. So it really isn't just a binary. Look up an overview of it.
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Tell us what the third sex is, and its role in procreation.
 
Surprisingly, not every gene has a role in reproduction. Some are involved in little details like organ formation. Honestly, read a book, read a scientific paper, don't try to turn everything into a talking point.
 
deadrose said:
Surprisingly, not every gene has a role in reproduction. Some are involved in little details like organ formation. Honestly, read a book, read a scientific paper, don't try to turn everything into a talking point.
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Then tell us more about the characteristic organs of the third sex. Is it an unusual mix of the usual organs?
 
Not a third sex. Just a weird mix and match failure mode in binary sex development. Arth's proposition that such things represent additional sexes beyond the two actual ones is like saying that people with cancer are a different species.
 
deadrose said:
Surprisingly, not every gene has a role in reproduction. Some are involved in little details like organ formation. Honestly, read a book, read a scientific paper, don't try to turn everything into a talking point.
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But when the topic is actually about sex, and DSDs, it is a relevant question. So don't sidestep: please explain the other sexes that exist in mammals, and how they play into reproduction.
 
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