Did Jackie Kennedy kill JFK?

[Jack by the hedge]

lol. Well, I think it would be easier for the driver to time the shot more exactly

The driver was busy driving the car.

It seems terribly unfair to shut a baboon in the trunk and drive it all over town without at least giving it something fun to do. Mutant attack animals can die in hot cars, you know. I think it's rather hurtful of you to accuse teh Evil Lizard Overlords/NWO of that sort of animal cruelty without some hard evidence that the baboon didn't take the shot.

 

[Anders Lindman]

The reason the front of Kennedy's face wasn't blown out is because the wound was slightly tangential, it hit the top right rear cowlick of Kennedy's head whilst he was turned slightly to his left, and exited the right/top side of his head as shown in the Zapruder film. The tangential aspect of the impact was what caused to bullet to fragment inside the internal skull table, and the lines of force of the bullet cratered the skull at the right rear and top area of Kennedy's head, with the pressure forces created in the brain and tissues causing a huge blow out of material and pieces of skull in a cone that extended rearwards upwards and to the right.

A further bullet then hit Kennedy in the back of the head just above the External occipital protuberance whilst Kennedy's head was almost horizontal.

All shots that hit Kennedy came from behind, there is very little doubt about that. If a shot came from anywhere else it missed.

Yeah, right. Sorry for being sarcastic, but a bullet allegedly coming from behind, above and slightly from the right (bullet moving from right to left into JFK's head) would hardly have produced such lopsided wound in JFK's head. Even the Warren Commission had to tweak their presentation in order to match that incredible claim: http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7379/jfk.png

 

[Anders Lindman]

The driver was busy driving the car.

It seems terribly unfair to shut a baboon in the trunk and drive it all over town without at least giving it something fun to do. Mutant attack animals can die in hot cars, you know. I think it's rather hurtful of you to accuse teh Evil Lizard Overlords/NWO of that sort of animal cruelty without some hard evidence that the baboon didn't take the shot.

The driver took a brief moment (exactly before and during the head shot) to turn his head to look at JFK, and did he also push a button on a handheld trigger device held in his left hand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpF0AItMr4

 

[TheRedWorm]

JFK wasn't shot. He died of a heart attack severe enough to rupture a blood vessel in his leg. Everything else is 60's Photoshop.

 

[tsig]

Area 51?

Right!! The aliens have been guiding mankind and when Kennedy found out they had to take him out. They had to make it look like the tech used was Earth normal so as to not spook the populace. It's obvious when you really think about it.

 

[tsig]

JFK wasn't shot. He died of a heart attack severe enough to rupture a blood vessel in his leg. Everything else is 60's Photoshop.

Close but no cigar. Actually Kennedy suffered from high blood pressure and in Dallas had an episode of stress induced HBPP* which blew the top of his head off, luckily there were CIA assets in place to cover for this. It's obvious when you really think about it.

*high blood pressure peak

 

[Soily]

Yeah, right. Sorry for being sarcastic, but a bullet allegedly coming from behind, above and slightly from the right (bullet moving from right to left into JFK's head) would hardly have produced such lopsided wound in JFK's head. Even the Warren Commission had to tweak their presentation in order to match that incredible claim: http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7379/jfk.png

The WC confusion comes from the fact the bullet hole they found and examined was the one in the EOP region. Due to the cratering of the skull bone, and missing pieces of skull, they missed the second hole in the skull, the one identified by the Clarke panel and the HSCA as been in the cowlick. That there was a bullet hole in the EOP is undeniable, that was the hole the doctors at the autopsy observed and recorded, it was confirmed by the Rockefeller commission and reconfirmed by the ARRB. Kennedy was shot in the head twice, from behind.

Neither shots were by Jackie.

 

[I Ratant]

Was that why the assassination team used bullets made from frozen, raw meat and fired from an experimental ultra high pressure gas cannon filled with liquid nitrogen?

.
Well Duh!
Wouldn't you?
I mean, I mean, any assassination team chooses the proper weapon for the situation.
I found my Carcano to be easy to fire, quick to aim, quick to cycle, and didn't need the scope for the short ranges.
But I'm not the pro.

 

[Anders Lindman]

The WC confusion comes from the fact the bullet hole they found and examined was the one in the EOP region. Due to the cratering of the skull bone, and missing pieces of skull, they missed the second hole in the skull, the one identified by the Clarke panel and the HSCA as been in the cowlick. That there was a bullet hole in the EOP is undeniable, that was the hole the doctors at the autopsy observed and recorded, it was confirmed by the Rockefeller commission and reconfirmed by the ARRB. Kennedy was shot in the head twice, from behind.

Neither shots were by Jackie.

If JFK's head was hit twice in the head then both bullets would have hit at the same time (within less than a tenths of a second or so) since the Zapruder film only shows a single head shot. And those two bullets then would have come from the bottom of the backseat, triggered remotely, not by Jackie but by someone else, possibly by the driver.

 

[Soily]

If JFK's head was hit twice in the head then both bullets would have hit at the same time (within less than a tenths of a second or so) since the Zapruder film only shows a single head shot. And those two bullets then would have come from the bottom of the backseat, triggered remotely, not by Jackie but by someone else, possibly by the driver.

The 313 shot to the cowlick destroyed half of kennedys head, blowing skull and brain matter in different directions. The EOP shot exited out of the already existing large defect in the top/right of the head, hence the lack of visible ejecta - the damage had already been done.

 

[Anders Lindman]

The 313 shot to the cowlick destroyed half of kennedys head, blowing skull and brain matter in different directions. The EOP shot exited out of the already existing large defect in the top/right of the head, hence the lack of visible ejecta - the damage had already been done.

That doesn't compute, because the bullet that allegedly hit JFK's head more center on would still have caused a more symmetrical damage. Here are the supposed two bullet holes shown: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...OTOS/JFK_Autopsy_Photo_1.jpg?t=1278443116&t=1

The entry wound near the top of the ruler would have caused more centered damage or an exit wound in the front of JFK's skull (besides, how could the experts initially have missed one of the entry holes ).

Plus there is what seems to be gun smoke appearing around JFK's head at the time of the head shot: http://www.realityreviewed.com/Animation.gif

 

[Soily]

That doesn't compute, because the bullet that allegedly hit JFK's head more center on would still have caused a more symmetrical damage. Here are the supposed two bullet holes shown: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...OTOS/JFK_Autopsy_Photo_1.jpg?t=1278443116&t=1

The entry wound near the top of the ruler would have caused more centered damage or an exit wound in the front of JFK's skull (besides, how could the experts initially have missed one of the entry holes ).

Plus there is what seems to be gun smoke appearing around JFK's head at the time of the head shot: http://www.realityreviewed.com/Animation.gif

This is a mistake that has lead many conspiracy theorists to think the autopsy materials are false. They are not. That photo is taken after the scalp and hair has been manipulated to show less damage than was actually there. The cowlick bullet had created a huge flap of loose scalp, with the cratered skull underneath, this is partially apperent in that photo, but the scalp has been stretched out to cover a lot of the actual underlying damage. The cowlick entry caused the large flap on the right hand side, and the eop entry, which was around the area of the hair line where the white object is in that photo, exited the large defect caused by the 313 cowlick bullet due to the fact that Kennedys head was almost horizontal when it struck by the 2nd shot:

At around here http://zapruder.site90.net/?#f340|lauto|tauto|w830|h820|mt0px|ml0px|v0

Kennedys head is virtually horizontal. The bullet struck the eop and exited out the large visible defect in this frame, probably going on to strike Connaly whose back and left thigh is exposed in the direct line of fire at the exact location he was hit due to him taking an almost feotel position.

The reason for the mix ups between the experts is simple. The damage to Kennedys head was quite extensive, unless you were actually there with the body it is quite hard to see the EOP entry on the very poor quality xrays and photodgraphs. Likewise the cowlick entry is an infered entry, not one that is immedetielty apperent to the subsequent investigations who did not have the body in front of them. The HSCA naturally favoured the infered entry in the cowlick because by then it was well known the WC diagram showing the angle of Kennedys head was incorrect as both Josiaph Thompson and the widespread dissemination of the Zapruder film had exposed this. The fact is, in largely good faith, the medical experts made a mess of their conclusions and they were effectively both right and both wrong, there was a bullet wound in the EOP and the cowlick, and due to the differeing circumstances of their exposure to the evidence they reached different conclusions.

 

[Anders Lindman]

This is a mistake that has lead many conspiracy theorists to think the autopsy materials are false. They are not. That photo is taken after the scalp and hair has been manipulated to show less damage than was actually there. The cowlick bullet had created a huge flap of loose scalp, with the cratered skull underneath, this is partially apperent in that photo, but the scalp has been stretched out to cover a lot of the actual underlying damage. The cowlick entry caused the large flap on the right hand side, and the eop entry, which was around the area of the hair line where the white object is in that photo, exited the large defect caused by the 313 cowlick bullet due to the fact that Kennedys head was almost horizontal when it struck by the 2nd shot:

At around here http://zapruder.site90.net/?#f340|lauto|tauto|w830|h820|mt0px|ml0px|v0

Kennedys head is virtually horizontal. The bullet struck the eop and exited out the large visible defect in this frame, probably going on to strike Connaly whose back and left thigh is exposed in the direct line of fire at the exact location he was hit due to him taking an almost feotel position.

Are you saying that this image doesn't show the two entry wounds (one near the top of the ruler, and the other above to the right)? http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...OTOS/JFK_Autopsy_Photo_1.jpg?t=1278443116&t=1

 

[Soily]

Are you saying that this image doesn't show the two entry wounds (one near the top of the ruler, and the other above to the right)? http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...OTOS/JFK_Autopsy_Photo_1.jpg?t=1278443116&t=1

Are you taking about the large flap in the top right of his head? Thats the exit created by the fragmenting 313 bullet to the cowlick area, it was tangential wound that sheared a massive flap of scalp on the top right of the skull, as well as cratering the top rear of the skull allowing for the huge pressure build up in the brain and tissues inside the head to blow out from both the top and the rear of the skull, blowing brain tissue up and backwards.

I know some people have tried to spot the actual bullet holes in the back of the skull in these photos, but really were talking about holes perhaps 4 or 5mm wide, in thick hair on poor quality photos. Unlikely to be very visible I think.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Are you taking about the large flap in the top right of his head? Thats the exit created by the fragmenting 313 bullet to the cowlick area, it was tangential wound that sheared a massive flap of scalp on the top right of the skull, as well as cratering the top rear of the skull allowing for the huge pressure build up in the brain and tissues inside the head to blow out from both the top and the rear of the skull, blowing brain tissue up and backwards.

I know some people have tried to spot the actual bullet holes in the back of the skull in these photos, but really were talking about holes perhaps 4 or 5mm wide, in thick hair on poor quality photos. Unlikely to be very visible I think.

I mean the entry wounds shown by the arrows in this picture: http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7498/jfk2.jpg

 

[Soily]

The lower of the green arrows might concievably be an entrance hole, in that it was in the approximate position of the undlying radial lines of a skull defect identified by the HSCA. The upper green arrow is nothing. On the same picture, the white artifact at the hairline represents the approximate position of both the hole in the EOP and the corrpsonding hole and radial cratering of the skull observed by the autopsy doctors and confirmed by the rockeffler commison.

 

[Anders Lindman]

The lower of the green arrows might concievably be an entrance hole, in that it was in the approximate position of the undlying radial lines of a skull defect identified by the HSCA. The upper green arrow is nothing. On the same picture, the white artifact at the hairline represents the approximate position of both the hole in the EOP and the corrpsonding hole and radial cratering of the skull observed by the autopsy doctors and confirmed by the rockeffler commison.

Then why did they remove the hair at those two positions? Wouldn't it had been enough to remove the hair only where the there was a real entry wound?

 

[Soily]

Then why did they remove the hair at those two positions? Wouldn't it had been enough to remove the hair only where the there was a real entry wound?

They didn't remove the hair, they manipluated the scalp to cover some of the damage, its abundantly clear in that photo that the scalp is been stretched isn't it? This is also part of the confusion about the wounds. The massive defect in the head did cover some part of the rear of the skull, it encapsulated the upper right and top part of the skull, which depending on the angle it is viewed, is going to appear to be a massive wound in the back of the skull or a massive wound in the right top of the skull. Really, despite the obvious contradictiions, the differing observations of the doctors, the autopsy and the photos can be reconciled without resorting to fakery.

 

[Anders Lindman]

They didn't remove the hair, they manipluated the scalp to cover some of the damage, its abundantly clear in that photo that the scalp is been stretched isn't it? This is also part of the confusion about the wounds. The massive defect in the head did cover some part of the rear of the skull, it encapsulated the upper right and top part of the skull, which depending on the angle it is viewed, is going to appear to be a massive wound in the back of the skull or a massive wound in the right top of the skull. Really, despite the obvious contradictiions, the differing observations of the doctors, the autopsy and the photos can be reconciled without resorting to fakery.

If hair was not removed it was at least cleared away precisely at the two positions where there seems to be entry wounds. I still believe my version is closer to the truth: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6591206&postcount=250

 

[Soily]

If hair was not removed it was at least cleared away precisely at the two positions where there seems to be entry wounds. I still believe my version is closer to the truth: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6591206&postcount=250

The reason the hair looks 'shorter' in that photo is becuse the hair has been rinsed of the matted blood and brain tissue and the scalp stretched out across the skull defect. The autopsy was conducted on the 22nd, long before the WC cover up ground into life, therefore, for all its faults, it was a genuine effort. Nobody could have possibly known on the evening of the 22nd what they were meant to be covering up, it was only later this was initiated.