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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

That's a bit solipsist. You've never seen a video of Epstein and Trump bopping with what looks like very young teenage girls or Trump leering at beauty contestants, - and Trump decided he was going to own those beauty contests - then therefore, it means it doesn't exist and never happened.
Of course I have, as we all have. But it's a big difference between looking at a young woman at a beauty contest or an adult model (who both literally want very badly to be looked at) and your claim about 'young teenage girls' employed by VS, which appears entirely imaginary. VS models start around 21 and go up to 40 something (rarely).
 
That's a bit solipsist. You've never seen a video of Epstein and Trump bopping with what looks like very young teenage girls or Trump leering at beauty contestants, - and Trump decided he was going to own those beauty contests - then therefore, it means it doesn't exist and never happened.

The question was about Victoria's Secret fashion shows, and whether or not you were claiming they used under-18 lingerie models. I understand these events used to be televised, so the evidence ought to exist.

To remind you, your claim was: "Wexner runs Victoria's Secrets lingerie empire using young teenage girls to model the range at 'shows'."
 
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The question was about Victoria's Secret fashion shows, and whether or not you were claiming they used under-18 lingerie models. I understand these events used to be televised, so the evidence ought to exist.

To remind you, your claim was: "Wexner runs Victoria's Secrets lingerie empire using young teenage girls to model the range at 'shows'."
No, no, no. That's where it started. Now we are on the Merry-Go-Round of Moving Goalposts.
 
I was reading a weird story about claims that the bodies of two young women are buried on or near Zorro ranch. Seems some anonymous guy tipped off a local radio DJ about it in 2019, and said he had proof- that was for sale in Bitcoin. Of course, the DJ didn't bite and it was never heard from again. The DJ reported it to the FBI, just in case, but they apparently didn't take it as credible.
Some guy built an Ayahuasa [_sp?] Church there. Clearly weirdos choose this area owing to lack of perceived oversight. The same reason Little St James was purchased by Epstein (presumably with Wexner's money) and Greater St James by Al bin Suleyman who emailed Epstein to say he enjoyed the 'torture video'. Even some guy who worked as staff on LSJ said he saw planeloads of very young females alighting on the island. Where are they all now? Nobody knows because the DOJ declined to investigate; Epstein was charged by Acosta on relatively lenient charges and Florida prosecutors (headed by one Pam Bondi) gave a couple of dozen accused guys a sweet deal, kept under wraps from the public.

 
Of course I have, as we all have. But it's a big difference between looking at a young woman at a beauty contest or an adult model (who both literally want very badly to be looked at) and your claim about 'young teenage girls' employed by VS, which appears entirely imaginary. VS models start around 21 and go up to 40 something (rarely).
Well no, that is why Wexner passed it on to Epstein. Wexner the straight guy and Epstein the crook. Like Epstein accessed all these women, girls and boys all by himself.
 
Of course I have, as we all have. But it's a big difference between looking at a young woman at a beauty contest or an adult model (
who both literally want very badly to be looked at) and your claim about 'young teenage girls' employed by VS, which appears entirely imaginary. VS models start around 21 and go up to 40 something (rarely).

Really? That is your perspective on this?
 
I was reading a weird story about claims that the bodies of two young women are buried on or near Zorro ranch. Seems some anonymous guy tipped off a local radio DJ about it in 2019, and said he had proof- that was for sale in Bitcoin. Of course, the DJ didn't bite and it was never heard from again. The DJ reported it to the FBI, just in case, but they apparently didn't take it as credible.

not that i necessarily agree or disagree with anything here, but i will say the fbi was not handling this case properly at all.

i still don’t think there’s a satanic angle to this. even if there was, satan isn’t a real guy
 
Well no, that is why Wexner passed it on to Epstein. Wexner the straight guy and Epstein the crook. Like Epstein accessed all these women, girls and boys all by himself.
Throw in some horrific basement experiments and you got yourself a deal.
 
Really? That is your perspective on this?
They are beauty pageant contestants and freaking lingerie models. Yes, I feel confident they both want and expect to be looked at very badly.
Not much of a future in those gigs without it.

Can you kindly stop this bobbing and weaving and address the 'young teenage girls' working at VS? In case you haven't picked up on it, you are not coming across as credible, but you are being repeatedly handed the mic.
 
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  • Seagram's daughter, and multi-billionaire heiress, Sara Bronfman is a leading member of satanic cult LXIVM.
  • LXIVM placed young girls in a school for excellence in Mexico and later procured them to work as sex slaves in NY for Keith Raniere, founder of LXIVM.
  • The inner circle of LXIVM is based on latinised mottos and rituals involving masters and servants, with young women branded with Raniere's initials, or his high priestess' Allison Mack who also branded girls with her initials, as being owned by the cult.

LXIVM appears to be a model designation for a water flow valve controller for irrigation systems.

Did you perhaps mean NXIVM? That seems to meet your description, except of course for the "satanic" part for which evidence appears to be lacking.
 
not that i necessarily agree or disagree with anything here, but i will say the fbi was not handling this case properly at all.
Oh agreed, I'm deeply suspicious of how badly they are doing things. But I can see not taking the dead women buried at Zorro credibly. The sole report of it is some anonymous random.trying to shake a local radio down for untraceable bitcoin. I wouldn't be breaking out the cadaver dogs over that, either.
i still don’t think there’s a satanic angle to this. even if there was, satan isn’t a real guy
But hes got this ring, I'm told. Maybe like a snazzy platinum one?
 
not that i necessarily agree or disagree with anything here, but i will say the fbi was not handling this case properly at all.

i still don’t think there’s a satanic angle to this. even if there was, satan isn’t a real guy
That again is a solipsistic logical fallacy. Just because something is abstract, it doesn't mean it cannot exist, as many philosophers have argued abstract ideas do exist in reality. For example, Plato and the existence of the abstract principles of justice, beauty, love and the virtues. Theologists have argued long and hard about the polar ideas of good ~vs~ evil. The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods were all perpetually battling over this in the heavens above them. We see this in biblical versions, with an incessant almighty battle taking place in the heavens, as symbolized by St. Michael ~vs~ the dragon (good ~vs~ evil: 'as above, so below' ~ the Occult; 'Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven' ~ the Lord's Prayer) So yes, it doesn't mean anything to say you do not believe in evil, because you can do a university course in the philosophy of virtue, which implies there must ipso facto be its opposite, for there to be . So, it could be argued that in our western civilisation we are encouraged to be virtuous, as it were, then it follows that there is a choice to be evil. So whilst most people will adhere to the nuclear family model, of love and faithfulness and hopefully, marriage until 'death us do part', others will be indulging in transgressing all that others see as virtuous and good. IF Epstein was torturing, raping and killing young children and young adults for his clients' entertainment, or even running baby farms with enforced surrogates unable to escape, then I think some might be justified in calling it 'evil'. We don't know if any of this happened - other than the word of Guiffre, Farmer and co., as it has never been tried in court nor brought to light. We now know Prince Andrew had up to 90 Lolita Express planes flown into the UK over the years. Only time can tell whether there was anything abominable about it. Demanding proof - as some are doing - when the FBI and the USA have done exactly nothing about the allegations except to cover them up is not reasonable at this stage.
 
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That again is a solipsistic logical fallacy. Just because something is abstract, it doesn't mean it cannot exist, as many philosophers have argued abstract ideas do exist in reality. For example, Plato and the existence of the abstract principles of justice, beauty, love and the virtues. Theologists have argued long and hard about the polar ideas of good ~vs~ evil. The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods were all perpetually battling over this in the heavens above them. We see this in biblical versions, with an incessant almighty battle taking place in the heavens, as symbolized by St. Michael ~vs~ the dragon (good ~vs~ evil: 'as above, so below' ~ the Occult; 'Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven' ~ the Lord's Prayer) So yes, it doesn't mean anything to say you do not believe in evil, because you can do a university course in the philosophy of virtue, which implies there must ipso facto be its opposite, for there to be . So, it could be argued that in our western civilisation we are encouraged to be virtuous, as it were, then it follows that there is a choice to be evil. So whilst most people will adhere to the nuclear family model, of love and faithfulness and hopefully, marriage until 'death us do part', others will be indulging in transgressing all that others see as virtuous and good. IF Epstein was torturing, raping and killing young children and young adults for his clients' entertainment, or even running baby farms with enforced surrogates unable to escape, then I think some might be justified in calling it 'evil'. We don't know if any of this happened - other than the word of Guiffre, Farmer and co., as it has never been tried in court nor brought to light. We now know Prince Andrew had up to 90 Lolita Express planes flown into the UK over the years. Only time can tell whether there was anything abominable about it. Demanding proof - as some are doing - when the FBI and the USA have done exactly nothing about the allegations except to cover them up is not reasonable at this stage.
Vixen, you are being asked to substantiate your somewhat strange claim that 'young teenage girls' are working as Victorias Secret models. No one actually believes this (as their target demographic is substantially older and VS wants their teenage market to aspire to look more grown-up), so could you respond with:

A) Evidence of this strange claim, or
B) Acknowledge you were making up random ◊◊◊◊ and we can all forget about it.
 
Vixen, you are being asked to substantiate your somewhat strange claim that 'young teenage girls' are working as Victorias Secret models. No one actually believes this (as their target demographic is substantially older and VS wants their teenage market to aspire to look more grown-up), so could you respond with:

A) Evidence of this strange claim, or
B) Acknowledge you were making up random ◊◊◊◊ and we can all forget about it.
This case has been ongoing for years and years. You can watch 'Filthy Rich' on Netflix and read Bradley's book on the case. The claims about Wexner are hardly new. Yet Wexner says he has never been contacted by the FBI or the police at any point.
 
This case has been ongoing for years and years. You can watch 'Filthy Rich' on Netflix and read Bradley's book on the case. The claims about Wexner are hardly new. Yet Wexner says he has never been contacted by the FBI or the police at any point.
Shall I repeat the question? You seem to be responding to something else.
 
The claims about Wexner are hardly new.

The question was not whether your old claim was new. Having just re-posted it, you were asked to explain what you meant by it. Do you really mean that VS used under-18 lingerie models in their shows?

It seems unexpectedly hard for you to simply say what it was you meant.
 

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