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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Jim_MDP said:
Somewhere late in Bear Stearns he was abe to move toward eventually acquiring Wexler's POA (Mossad?). By that point he was off to the races, as it were.
Money, connections, women, blackmail.

Did I mention blackmail? Right.

Stop with the intelligence debate... look at T, he's halfway to gibbering. But twenty years ago? And both grifters through and through. That's not "wise" but it's something.
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Epstein was all about blackmail.

Once his wealth was established, he could pick and choose his targets. Right now it looks like some of his targets were picked just for fun, like his own private science experiment to see who those people were when taken somewhere out of public view, and tempted with flesh of all ages. And I admit I'm impressed by his hutzpah.
 
See, this whole "Intelligence" thing, and Mossad BS is a waste of time. Epstein was smart enough. This board is home to many highly intelligent people, but I suspect few are billionaires. You don't need to be a genius to get rich, you just need to understand how money works across a variety of systems, and then have the balls to take a few risks with volatile stocks, real estate loans, and investing in startups or expansions. And if you lack ethics and morals it can be much easier by using other people's money, and charging them a commission. While it's not rocket science, it kind of is.

Then there's the grift, and that's just knowing how to manipulate the right people.

What keeps me awake is not the sex stuff. It's the complicity of the banks in this story, and the fact the FBI and DEPARTMENT of JUSTICE looked the other way from Epstein for almost 18 years. This was between 2005 and 2016, crossing four different Presidential administrations, so we just can't hang it on the Diaper Don alone. I can see the Bush DoJ being distracted by terrorism, but Obama, and Biden? Nobody in those administrations felt a guilty pang about underage girls being abused by powerful men, while at the same time championing women's rights, and children's welfare? This is not a stand-alone issue. The FBI failed the US Women's Olympic Gymnastics Team with a dismal half-assed investigation, which led to an internal investigation, which led to other investigations. The FBI is really good at financial crimes, narcotics, terrorism, and high-profile/easy to prosecute sex crimes. But as soon as someone who is politically important is caught with his pants down they look like a clown show.

I'm a simple man, but to me this is a problem.

And while the low-hanging fruit of the conspiracy theory world is preoccupied with the sex, and the who's who in the files, they ignore Deutsche Bank entirely. You know, the guys who, since 2016, have had a high executive suicide rate that coincided with Epstein's arrest? Maybe they don't mention pizza enough in their emails, I guess.
 
To repeat what I said six years ago (message # 749):

Bearing in mind there has been no trial, the commonly accepted facts are as follows:


  • Epstein started off as a mediocre maths teacher and fired.
  • He has no finance qualifications such as a CPA or MBA.
  • He is not a qualified financial advisor or registered stockbroker or hedge fund manager.
  • His only known 'client' is Les Wexner.
  • Wexner runs Victoria's Secrets lingerie empire using young teenage girls to model the range at 'shows'.
  • Some auditions for these 'lingerie fashion' shows took place at Epstein's NY mansion.
  • This mansion once belonged to Wexner who gave Epstein Power of Attorney to transfer it to his name, together with the island and other locations.
  • Epstein bought Little St James for a few million bucks with Wexner's money.
  • Epstein's one-time girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell whom many believe was a Mossad agent.
  • The owner of Seagram distillers has a ranch within six miles of Epstein's in New Mexico; no-one else is around for many miles.
  • Seagram's daughter, and multi-billionaire heiress, Sara Bronfman is a leading member of satanic cult LXIVM.
  • LXIVM placed young girls in a school for excellence in Mexico and later procured them to work as sex slaves in NY for Keith Raniere, founder of LXIVM.
  • The inner circle of LXIVM is based on latinised mottos and rituals involving masters and servants, with young women branded with Raniere's initials, or his high priestess' Allison Mack who also branded girls with her initials, as being owned by the cult.
  • Listed in Epstein's 'black book' is not only Prince Andrew but also *Prince Charles*.
  • Prince Charles was a close friend of paedophile procurer Jimmy Savile, who called himself the *eminence grise', who abused over 300 young girls and boys but was never investigated, either.
  • Prince Andrew met Ghislaine Maxwell at Oxford but may also have known Epstein via Prince Charles.
  • Prince Andrew ran a yacht club called Golden Naples Ltd (iirc) which he registered under a false name.
  • Prince Andrew is pictured lying on a yacht surrounded by young women in skimpy swimwear, some topless.
  • Meghan Markle is rumoured to have been a 'yacht girl' and it may have been Prince Andrew who set her up with Prince Harry [it is claimed].
  • Meghan knows secrets about Prince Charles and Prince Andrew which is why she has a hold over the Royal Family [is the grapevine]
  • Epstein was fabulously rich, far richer than his association with Wexner would suggest.
  • The FBI found documents in his safe including a fake Austrian passport with his photo, different name and a Saudi Arabian address.
  • The passport is dated in the 1980's and investigators believe he travelled to various European countries using it, including the UK.
  • The association with Maxwell and his incongruously enormous wealth (net worth at death: $550m), together with Austrian passport indicates he worked as an intelligence agent.
  • The issue of the hundreds of young teenage girls he procured for parties for his middle-aged male high powered 'movers and shakers' friends suggests a blackmailing racket as they were likely filmed in compromising positions with the girls.
  • Epstein aimed to impregnate fifty girls at a time and with leading scientists. Accusers have come forward claiming orgies.
  • Not only did Epstein and Maxwell procure underage girls as well as young adults, they appear to have run a baby making racket (cf Virginia Guiffre).
  • Nobody knows what has happened to all these young girls, many of whom were runaways and from trailer parks.
  • One night in his prison cell, Epstein died from neck injuries compatible with a ligature around his throat.
  • Epstein was in a single cell, when he usually had a companion. The CCTV cameras to his cell door were dead that night, the guards were low-level incompetents who didn't bother with surveillance.

Conclusion: procuring young females for the sexual gratification of married men who are - or were - world leaders, a prime minister, a future POTUS, a former POTUS, a Prince (as alleged by Virginia Guiffre) and top scientists at parties in extremely remote locations in what has been described as underground chambers, with weird themes such as Zorro and Ancient Egypt is what would popularly be described as 'satanic'.

The aim? I would suggest a foreign country interfering in Western values by introducing decadence and depraved behaviour as the norm, thus aiming to bring down civilisation as we know it and introducing an 'anything goes' ethos, based on sex slavery, sex with underage teenagers, sex trafficking, prostitution, eugenics and money laundering. All the things the law enforcement agencies are supposed to be clamping down on.

Epstein may have been taken out by a counter-espionage agent (the CIA...?) terrified that what comes out at his trial could bring down the British Royal Family, the US POTUS, members of Congress and top attorneys, not to mention all kinds of Nobel prize-winning scientists. [ends]

What no-one seems to be talking about are the numerous (?) foetuses said to have been sired, probably at Zorro Ranch, not to mention the planeloads of orphans and waifs picked up from Russia, Turkey and Romania.

An expert in esotericism said he couldn't see any esoteric symbolism in the LSJ 'temple', just garish superficiality, but he did say the one religious artifact was in the 'temple' library, notably the columns of Boaz and Jachin along the bookcases, which, s I am sure you know, is a reference to Solomon's Temple in the Bible.
 
Axxman300 said:
See, this whole "Intelligence" thing, and Mossad BS is a waste of time. Epstein was smart enough. This board is home to many highly intelligent people, but I suspect few are billionaires. You don't need to be a genius to get rich, you just need to understand how money works across a variety of systems, and then have the balls to take a few risks with volatile stocks, real estate loans, and investing in startups or expansions. And if you lack ethics and morals it can be much easier by using other people's money, and charging them a commission. While it's not rocket science, it kind of is.

Then there's the grift, and that's just knowing how to manipulate the right people.

What keeps me awake is not the sex stuff. It's the complicity of the banks in this story, and the fact the FBI and DEPARTMENT of JUSTICE looked the other way from Epstein for almost 18 years. This was between 2005 and 2016, crossing four different Presidential administrations, so we just can't hang it on the Diaper Don alone. I can see the Bush DoJ being distracted by terrorism, but Obama, and Biden? Nobody in those administrations felt a guilty pang about underage girls being abused by powerful men, while at the same time championing women's rights, and children's welfare? This is not a stand-alone issue. The FBI failed the US Women's Olympic Gymnastics Team with a dismal half-assed investigation, which led to an internal investigation, which led to other investigations. The FBI is really good at financial crimes, narcotics, terrorism, and high-profile/easy to prosecute sex crimes. But as soon as someone who is politically important is caught with his pants down they look like a clown show.

I'm a simple man, but to me this is a problem.

And while the low-hanging fruit of the conspiracy theory world is preoccupied with the sex, and the who's who in the files, they ignore Deutsche Bank entirely. You know, the guys who, since 2016, have had a high executive suicide rate that coincided with Epstein's arrest? Maybe they don't mention pizza enough in their emails, I guess.
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Well, the key figure of Deutsche Bank is the Dubin [..sp?] chap who recently stood down. Deutsche Bank did no due diligence and simply provided Epstein with facilities to draw out $750,000 per diem in cash [iirc]. Bear in mind, criminal conspiracy only requires two or more persons for it to be technically, 'a conspiracy'.
 
We can talk about western values, but it's hardly the first time those who expound them fail to follow them, and we can't forever blame others when that happens. We won't make much headway against our own failings if every time we're caught we yell "see what you made me do."
 
Vixen said:
  • Wexner runs Victoria's Secrets lingerie empire using young teenage girls to model the range at 'shows'.
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Just to nitpick, when you said "young teenage girls" did you intend us to infer you meant "young teenage" i.e. under 18, or did you mean "young, teenage" meaning as young as 19? Also can you explain the scare quotes on 'shows'?

I can see that you want to make it sound as sleazy and disreputable as possible, but you are very clearly giving the impression that Victoria's Secret parades under-18 models in lingerie, in sexualised fake fashion shows intended purely for titillation. Was that your intention? Do they do that?
 
Vixen said:
  • The owner of Seagram distillers has a ranch within six miles of Epstein's in New Mexico; no-one else is around for many miles.
  • Seagram's daughter, and multi-billionaire heiress, Sara Bronfman is a leading member of satanic cult LXIVM.
  • LXIVM placed young girls in a school for excellence in Mexico and later procured them to work as sex slaves in NY for Keith Raniere, founder of LXIVM.
  • The inner circle of LXIVM is based on latinised mottos and rituals involving masters and servants, with young women branded with Raniere's initials, or his high priestess' Allison Mack who also branded girls with her initials, as being owned by the cult.
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Can you explain the connection between Epstein and this woman who was a leading member of a satanic cult which you go on to describe at some length? It can't surely only be that Epstein and her father happened to own ranches in New Mexico which were six miles apart. Can it?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Just to nitpick, when you said "young teenage girls" did you intend us to infer you meant "young teenage" i.e. under 18, or did you mean "young, teenage" meaning as young as 19? Also can you explain the scare quotes on 'shows'?

I can see that you want to make it sound as sleazy and disreputable as possible, but you are very clearly giving the impression that Victoria's Secret parades under-18 models in lingerie, in sexualised fake fashion shows intended purely for titillation. Was that your intention? Do they do that?
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It's well-documented.

Two photos from Getty Images also show Trump and Epstein at a 1997 Victoria’s Secret Angels party in New York. GUARDIAN
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An extended video shows girls who are clearly minors.
 
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Vixen said:
It's well-documented.
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Um... that's a very public event with a model who was close to 30?

{ETA: you are being asked about the 'young teenage girls' thing. A near 30 yo model is not a teenager. Mathematical representation available upon request}
Vixen said:
An extended video shows girls who are clearly minors.
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I do not see this video.
 
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Thermal said:
Um... that's a very public event with a model who was close to 30?

{ETA: you are being asked about the 'young teenage girls' thing. A near 30 yo model is not a teenager. Mathematical representation available upon request}

I do not see this video.
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That's a bit solipsist. You've never seen a video of Epstein and Trump bopping with what looks like very young teenage girls or Trump leering at beauty contestants, - and Trump decided he was going to own those beauty contests - then therefore, it means it doesn't exist and never happened.
 
I was reading a weird story about claims that the bodies of two young women are buried on or near Zorro ranch. Seems some anonymous guy tipped off a local radio DJ about it in 2019, and said he had proof- that was for sale in Bitcoin. Of course, the DJ didn't bite and it was never heard from again. The DJ reported it to the FBI, just in case, but they apparently didn't take it as credible.
 
Vixen said:
Zorro Ranch is not a fantasy. The FBI has never searched it. If you want to believe Epstein's victims are fantasists, that is your prerogative.
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Were the "horrific experiments in an underground laboratory" beneath Zorro Ranch not a fantasy? What part of that is evidenced?

If you want to pretend I was saying Epstein's victims are fantasists, you go ahead, but it makes you look pretty disingenuous.
 
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