Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[Porpoise of Life]

Please be more specific.

Every single argument. For instance that the symbol you named this thread for, that is supposed to show a link between the menorah and Atlantis, looks like neither.
That there is no evidence that the menorah was ever adapted from that carving
That even if it were, there still is no link to Atlantis.

You'll just keep evading the arguments, and you will never explain how you think what you've claimed somehow points to Atlantis being real...

ETA:

I'm looking!

No you're not. You're just glibly ignoring the real point: that talking about a ficticious place as if it were real in order to teach or philosophize was not considered a bad thing to do for learned men.
And that this fact undermines the strawman of what Plato would and would not have felt morally obliged to write about.

If you want to evade our arguments, then at least please supply your own.

So, tell us, what's the link to Atlantis?

 

[Belz...]

Please be more specific.

How about you read the last couple of pages, instead? Your have a terrible attitude.

 

[King of the Americas]

Every single argument. For instance that the symbol you named this thread for, that is supposed to show a link between the menorah and Atlantis, looks like neither.

In fact, I DID address that point. I hold that a a midway point of dis-association is exactly what one would expect during the adoption of a symbol.

That there is no evidence that the menorah was ever adapted from that carving
That even if it were, there still is no link to Atlantis.

I have presented THE evidence that the symbol was adopted from a "pattern" on or in a mount.

You'll just keep evading the arguments, and you will never explain how you think what you've claimed somehow points to Atlantis being real...

Did you see the google earth images of the sunken structures at Tarshish?

ETA:

No you're not. You're just glibly ignoring the real point: that talking about a ficticious place as if it were real in order to teach or philosophize was not considered a bad thing to do for learned men.
And that this fact undermines the strawman of what Plato would and would not have felt morally obliged to write about.

If you want to evade our arguments, then at least please supply your own.

So, tell us, what's the link to Atlantis?

Plato's vivid description, have you studied it? I have been and I am left wondering why Plato would include the descriptions of the colors of the rocks- "red, black, and white" hewn from the bedrock of different volcanic rock in the area. Why include these details about a fictional city? What was he trying to teach his students by including these colors?

My next question is "Are there sources of such stone near and around Tarshish?" Looks, like signs point to "Yes."

 

[King of the Americas]

How about you read the last couple of pages, instead? Your have a terrible attitude.

"Glasses houses...so tough to keep clean too."

 

[Belz...]

"Glasses houses...so tough to keep clean too."

Do you have any counter arguments or not?

It seems like you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't be making stupid posts like that.

I hold that a a midway point of dis-association is exactly what one would expect during the adoption of a symbol.

Are you an expert in these matters? If not, where do you get that idea?

Plato's vivid description, have you studied it?

Plenty of vivid descriptions in fiction.

 

[Mojo]

I don't think so, but please explain.

You claimed that "Plato wrote from that which he witness and have evidence of". The allegory of the cave says that this is not a valid approach.

 

[King of the Americas]

You claimed that "Plato wrote from that which he witness and have evidence of". The allegory of the cave says that this is not a valid approach.

If you think that story is about an actual cave, and not about social interactions between those who have been enlightened and those in the uneducated dark, then the moral is lost on you.

I postulate the allegory of the cave holds principled truth.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

You're just messing with us, right?
Because that's what we've been trying to tell you. The cave and Atlantis are both fictional locations from an allegory.

 

[Mojo]

If you think that story is about an actual cave...

I don't.

 

[Craig4]

My head, the bloody stump, is begging me to stop...

All you have to do is tie the damn thing to your Atlantis.

 

[King of the Americas]

You're just messing with us, right?
Because that's what we've been trying to tell you. The cave and Atlantis are both fictional locations from an allegory.

I don't understand why you get to make that assumption, given Athens IS real.

Nothing (but social principles) in the cave allegory was real or actual. While there are caves, probably none with chained up men watching forms.

What is being taught by describing the stone used in the construction? I don't get it? If plato is making up a fictional city, was he condoning using volcanic rock of this color?

What evidence leads you to believe one city is real and one isn't?

 

[King of the Americas]

So, there ARE sunken ruins at Tarshish. I've posted the pictures.

Are there volcanic quarries with red and black stone nearby?

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Would simple core samples that indicts the presence of red and black volcanic stone, be convincing evidence?

 

[King of the Americas]

You claimed that "Plato wrote from that which he witness and have evidence of". The allegory of the cave says that this is not a valid approach.

You think Plato didn't see people get rejected by old friends, after he or she got an education?

 

[Vixen]

I'm saying symbols get adopted, their true meanings, associated phrases, locations don't have to be known. And the inverse is also true. There probably not a lot of Nike symbols on their factories in Thailand...

My hometown does not emblazon its 'mark' on items we create.

You want or are otherwise looking for ties, when the only one necessary is the symbol, and a line of providence provenance.

FIFY

 

[King of the Americas]

So, if you employ google earth and look at the spanish coast, there are what appear to be sunken ruins:

 

[King of the Americas]

FIFY

Awesome, new word! I've been word choice-ing that error for a while. Thank you for the correction!

 

[Myriad]

So, if you employ google earth and look at the spanish coast, there are what appear to be sunken ruins:

I don't see any dreidels there, so it can't be Atlantis.

 

[King of the Americas]

I don't see any dreidels there, so it can't be Atlantis.

Maybe they hadn't been fired yet?

 

[King of the Americas]

I don't see any dreidels there, so it can't be Atlantis.

Honestly, I think if we looked at every religion we'd see symbol appropriation. Easter eggs & Christmas trees anyone?

 

[Craig4]

Honestly, I think if we looked at every religion we'd see symbol appropriation. Easter eggs & Christmas trees anyone?

We have documentation to indicate how, when and why those traditions were adopted. Where's your evidence of Atlantis being tied to a menorah? I'm at a loss as to why you feel you get to skip the step of actually documenting the association of the menorah and your Atlantis.