Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[King of the Americas]

Neither. One of the characters in the story says it came from a source.

Just like Vader's comment about the Force.

Sorry for my ignorance...

Is the piece singular, or part of a larger work?

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Intersting Plato also mention the mythical city of "Athens" in the story...

 

[Belz...]

Sorry for my ignorance...

It's quite alright. Everybody's ignorant about something. The trick is to not pretend to know more than you do.

Is the piece singular, or part of a larger work?

Not sure I understand your question. Critias is part of a group of works by Plato framing a political and philosophical idea via a fictional discussion between philosophers, one of whom brings up Atlantis although no one else in the discussion has a clue of what he's talking about. Have you read it? It's quite clear that it's a narrative device and not a history lesson by the author.

In any case, EVEN IF Plato had flat out claimed that Atlantis was a real place, we have only his word, and absolutely no evidence to confirm it. You also don't have evidence, only a very generous interpretation of a single symbol.

 

[King of the Americas]

It's quite alright. Everybody's ignorant about something. The trick is to not pretend to know more than you do.



Not sure I understand your question. Critias is part of a group of works by Plato framing a political and philosophical idea via a fictional discussion between philosophers, one of whom brings up Atlantis although no one else in the discussion has a clue of what he's talking about. Have you read it? It's quite clear that it's a narrative device and not a history lesson by the author.

In any case, EVEN IF Plato had flat out claimed that Atlantis was a real place, we have only his word, and absolutely no evidence to confirm it. You also don't have evidence, only a very generous interpretation of a single symbol.

Right, researching now...

How is it that "Athens" appears in the story? Do we get to say that is unreal?

 

[Belz...]

How is it that "Athens" appears in the story? Do we get to say that is unreal?

Yeah, real places in fictional stories! Figure that one out!

Seriously, are you going to make an argument at some point, or present evidence? So far all you're doing is kicking stones around because people don't immediately agree with your ridiculous assertions.

 

[abaddon]

It's quite alright. Everybody's ignorant about something. The trick is to not pretend to know more than you do.



Not sure I understand your question. Critias is part of a group of works by Plato framing a political and philosophical idea via a fictional discussion between philosophers, one of whom brings up Atlantis although no one else in the discussion has a clue of what he's talking about. Have you read it? It's quite clear that it's a narrative device and not a history lesson by the author.

In any case, EVEN IF Plato had flat out claimed that Atlantis was a real place, we have only his word, and absolutely no evidence to confirm it. You also don't have evidence, only a very generous interpretation of a single symbol.

We are being taken for fools.

 

[King of the Americas]

Yeah, real places in fictional stories! Figure that one out!

Seriously, are you going to make an argument at some point, or present evidence? So far all you're doing is kicking stones around because people don't immediately agree with your ridiculous assertions.

Listening to lectures now...gimmie a sec.

*Ahh, preliminarily speaking, the addition of Athens gives credence to 'other' real cities in the story.

 

[abaddon]

Listening to lectures now...gimmie a sec.

*Ahh, preliminarily speaking, the addition of Athens gives credence to 'other' real cities in the story.

Athens is a real city with a real history. Atlantis is not.

 

[Belz...]

Listening to lectures now...gimmie a sec.

*Ahh, preliminarily speaking, the addition of Athens gives credence to 'other' real cities in the story.

If you're only interested in patting yourself on the back, it's no wonder you won't listen to reason.

 

[Pixel42]

Yes, because the mention of London in the Narnia stories obviously makes Cair Paraval that much more likely to be a real place too.

 

[Cat Not Included]

To reiterate:
This is the carving that OP claims is both three concentric circles, and the Jewish menorah (and therefore Atlantis for some reason):

I may well have missed where someone already pointed that out, but if those arcs were extended into circles wouldn't that give you 5 concentric circles, not 3?

And if extended into a menorah shape, it would have 11 points rather than 7.

So...this doesn't logically turn into EITHER 3 concentric circles OR a Jewish menorah, much less both.

 

[King of the Americas]

Athens is a real city with a real history. Atlantis is not.

So, Plato was a teach, above all. His lessons were intended to pass along principles that would aid in individual success.

Creating a fully factious scenario NOT based on solid proven principles is outside if Plato's character.

 

[Belz...]

So, Plato was a teach, above all. His lessons were intended to pass along principles that would aid in individual success.

That doesn't follow at all. You are ignoring every argument that disagreed with you and cherry-picking the stuff you think agrees with you. That is dishonest.

Creating a fully factious scenario NOT based on solid proven principles is outside if Plato's character.

Did you not read the thread so far? Someone's already addressed this.

 

[abaddon]

So, Plato was a teach, above all. His lessons were intended to pass along principles that would aid in individual success.

Creating a fully factious scenario NOT based on solid proven principles is outside if Plato's character.

That doesn't follow at all. You are ignoring every argument that disagreed with you and cherry-picking the stuff you think agrees with you. That is dishonest.



Did you not read the thread so far? Someone's already addressed this.

KotA is simply investing in the purchase of infractions for others. To date, there is no coherent claim. I couldn't tell you what KotA does or does not believe.

 

[King of the Americas]

Google Earth 'sunken stuff'- Spanish Coast

The rectangle structures are Tarshish, the round one is fur there up north...

 

[King of the Americas]

That doesn't follow at all. You are ignoring every argument that disagreed with you and cherry-picking the stuff you think agrees with you. That is dishonest.



Did you not read the thread so far? Someone's already addressed this.

I have not ignored anything. I have addressed most if not all of the arguments presented.

Could you point to this cherry-picking, and contradict the associated fruit?

 

[King of the Americas]

Yes, because the mention of London in the Narnia stories obviously makes Cair Paraval that much more likely to be a real place too.

The addition of self-admitted fiction writers muddies the waters.

 

[Belz...]

I have not ignored anything. I have addressed most if not all of the arguments presented.

You have addressed nothing. You've flippantly dismissed the objections to your claims.

If you were serious and honest about this topic you'd consider the objections and try to see if they work against your claim. Instead you try to imply that we're insulting Plato, as if that has anything to do with the arguments.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

The addition of self-admitted fiction writers muddies the waters.

Where are the ruins of Thomas More's Utopia?

 

[King of the Americas]

You have addressed nothing. You've flippantly dismissed the objections to your claims.

If you were serious and honest about this topic you'd consider the objections and try to see if they work against your claim. Instead you try to imply that we're insulting Plato, as if that has anything to do with the arguments.

Please be more specific.

 

[King of the Americas]

Where are the ruins of Thomas More's Utopia?

I'm looking!