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Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

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It's too bad he doesn't know anything about the subject; I'd love to discuss various Atlantis sites. I don't believe in Atlantis but I do think Plato based his description at least partially on a real place.

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KotA,
Here are a few conditions Atlantis sites must meet according to the author of this article. http://www.asalas.org/papers/Huebner_Atlantis_Circumstantial_Evidence_full.pdf
I haven't read Plato's story so I don't yet know enough to agree or disagree with Michael Hubner. I do think Hubner takes a few artistic liberties, though.

  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located within a reasonable range from Athens.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located close to a sea or ocean.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located close to a sea/ocean, which is large in relation to the Mediterranean and connected by a strait with the Mediterranean.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located west of Tyrrhenia and Egypt.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located where elephants lived.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis' main plain should be located close to and south of high mountains.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should not be located in ancient Europe or Asia.
  • Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located where elephants lived.
  • Regional Constraint → Atlantis should be located beyond the "Pillars of Heracles" at the "Atlantic" (Ocean).
  • Regional Constraint → Atlantis should be an island.
  • Regional Constraint → The main plain of Atlantis should be encircled by mountains.
  • Regional Constraint → There should be red, white, and black bedrock.
  • Regional Constraint → There should be docks cut into the native red, white and black bedrock.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been buildings made from coloured stones.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been "weaving" stone laying patterns.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been northerly winds.
  • Regional Constraint → There should be shelter from northerly winds.
  • Regional Constraint → There should be varied ore/metal deposits.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been earthquakes and hot and cold springs
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been horses.
  • Regional Constraint → There should streams from the mountains
  • Regional Constraint → There should be a trench parallel to the shore.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been plants with fragrant roots.
  • Regional Constraint → There should be enough space and food for a large population.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been a water supply providing year-round irrigation.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been architecture which is integrated into the native rock of the coast.
  • Regional Constraint → There should have been diverse agricultural products.
  • Regional Constraint → The Atlanteans had blue clothes.
  • Regional Constraint → The Atlanteans sacrificed bulls.
  • Regional Constraint → Concentric circles may have had a religious/ magic connotation for the Atlanteans.
  • Regional Constraint → Odd/even numbers may have had a religious/ magic connotation for the Atlanteans.
  • Regional Constraint → There should be remains of large trenches.
  • Local Constraint → The capital city of Atlantis should be located at a distance of about 50 stades from the sea.
  • Local Constraint → The central hill of the capital of Atlantis should be low and/or gently inclined on all sides.
  • Local Constraint → The capital of Atlantis should be located in an annular structure.
  • Local Constraint → There should be three concentric rings of water and two of land (islands).
  • Local Constraint → The whole structure should have an outer diameter of about: 2x (2x3 + 2x2 + 1x1) + 1x5 = 27 stades.
  • Local Constraint → The central island (hill) should have a diameter of 5 stades.
  • Local Constraint → The outer ring is located 50 stades from the sea.
  • Local Constraint → There should have been a cold and a warm spring within the central structure.
  • Local Constraint → There should be traces of prehistoric settlement.
  • Local Constraint → Traces of buildings of coloured stones (particularly red, white, and black).

How many of these conditions apply to the Spain mudflats, and how many apply to Thera/Santorini?
 
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abaddon said:
Already posted that.
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In the first paragraph- ".. filmmakers’ own ego-trips...," "...they portray a cast of lunatics, obsessives, and frauds are actually respected and careful scholars..."

Not the best foot to start out on as an honest review.

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I digress... "...Of course, Atlantis isn’t historical any more than The Walking Dead..." & "...By the time they are done, there is less connection between Plato’s Atlantis and the imagined original than between The Walking Dead and the nineteenth century Caribbean zombi that in a roundabout way inspired it..."

He was correct here- "The second hour of the documentary returns to Freund’s efforts around Gibraltar for some expensive underwater photography, and it pairs this effort with Montexano’s efforts to interpret petroglyphs of boats, spirals, and circles into evidence of Atlantis."...How does he refute?

"They are reading into shadows on the wall what they want to imagine the real world to be like. Needless to say, there is no reason to suspect that such common motifs as boats, circles, and spirals have anything to do with Atlantis."

My response to this review... 'It's crap.'
 
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King of the Americas said:
In the first paragraph- ".. filmmakers’ own ego-trips...," "...they portray a cast of lunatics, obsessives, and frauds are actually respected and careful scholars..."

Not the best foot to start out on as an honest review.

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I digress... "...Of course, Atlantis isn’t historical any more than The Walking Dead..." & "...By the time they are done, there is less connection between Plato’s Atlantis and the imagined original than between The Walking Dead and the nineteenth century Caribbean zombi that in a roundabout way inspired it..."

He was correct here- "The second hour of the documentary returns to Freund’s efforts around Gibraltar for some expensive underwater photography, and it pairs this effort with Montexano’s efforts to interpret petroglyphs of boats, spirals, and circles into evidence of Atlantis."...How does he refute?

"They are reading into shadows on the wall what they want to imagine the real world to be like. Needless to say, there is no reason to suspect that such common motifs as boats, circles, and spirals have anything to do with Atlantis."

My response to this review... 'It's crap.'
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Why is it crap?
 
King of the Americas said:
In the first paragraph- ".. filmmakers’ own ego-trips...," "...they portray a cast of lunatics, obsessives, and frauds are actually respected and careful scholars..."

Not the best foot to start out on as an honest review.

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I digress... "...Of course, Atlantis isn’t historical any more than The Walking Dead..." & "...By the time they are done, there is less connection between Plato’s Atlantis and the imagined original than between The Walking Dead and the nineteenth century Caribbean zombi that in a roundabout way inspired it..."

He was correct here- "The second hour of the documentary returns to Freund’s efforts around Gibraltar for some expensive underwater photography, and it pairs this effort with Montexano’s efforts to interpret petroglyphs of boats, spirals, and circles into evidence of Atlantis."...How does he refute?

"They are reading into shadows on the wall what they want to imagine the real world to be like. Needless to say, there is no reason to suspect that such common motifs as boats, circles, and spirals have anything to do with Atlantis."

My response to this review... 'It's crap.'
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Which part of it is factually incorrect?
 
Mojo said:
*Objection* Irony.
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Irony isn't a valid objection.

Also, the petroglyphs showing a wiped away Atlantis were connected to the site by date and geography. Moreover, it was not my speculation.

You've raised an unwarranted objection, after the courtroom emptied.

Better luck next time.
 
King of the Americas said:
That's funny.

"You've directed fiction, so you are no longer qualified to make documentaries."

*Seriously, that's NOT an argument against the findings presented here.
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On the other hand, "you've never heard of James Cameron? He's responsible for "Avatar," the movie" is not a good argument in favour of them. I suspect that that was the point that fromdownunder was making.
 
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