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Destiny and Free will

Emre_1974tr

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This world is not a world of testing "from Allah's point of view". Because He already knows what we will do. This world is a miniature - a sample life that "symbolizes what we would do if we lived forever". And since we don't know what will happen, it is a world of trial for us.

That is why some people's test is terminated by Allah "at the very moment of their disbelief". But if that man had lived two more years, perhaps he would have died a believer.
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Rule 4 violation snipped

We should constantly produce good behaviors that will make people happy.


(My Turkish article translated with machine)

https://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kader-ve-ozgur-irade.html

Peace
 
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Emre, I certainly can appreciate the quantity of work that went into writing this article.

But I didn't get past the first paragraph before I lost interest because I am not Muslim. I have no plans to convert.

Sowing the seeds upon sun baked concrete isn't productive farming. Isn't there a local audience that would be more interested in your preaching?
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
<snip abject prattle>

Peace
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Let me make a deal with you... if you can explain to me why Allah saw it fit or necessary to do the job of blowing into الفرج of his girlfriend Mary to make her pregnant with Jesus... I promise I will read (carefully) your above risible claptrap.... ok???

If you do not know the meaning of the word then copy and paste it into google translator to see what it gives you.

And if you are not familiar with the Ayah ... then it is Q66:12


 
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Leumas said:
Let me make a deal with you... if you can explain to me why Allah saw it fit


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In the Quran, the soul is revelation:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/nobody-has-got-ghost-according-to-quran.html

The Qur'an tells us that Adam, the first created human being, was breathed with a soul in the same way. And it says that the condition of Adam is like the condition of Jesus. Both were created directly without sexuality.

I said that spirit in the Qur'an means revelation, and the breathing of the spirit into the first human being is the imprinting of basic revelation/basic divine knowledge into the body/genes of the first human being at creation. It is through these inner revelations (i.e. the spirit) that we are obliged to know what is right and what is wrong. Because the necessary basic divine knowledge/revelation has been implanted in us. For example, we are obliged to know the Qur'an because the verses of the Qur'an are in harmony with the verses within us.

In Quran spirit=revelation.

1- Spirit is revelation,

2- holy spirit (the angel messenger conveying the message, revelation angel)

3- and revelation book (Quran).

Spirit= revelation.

Let's give examples.

1- Revelation
Quran [15:29] "So when I perfect him, and blow of My Spirit in him (Adam), you shall fall prostrate to him."

2- Revelation Angel (Gabriel).
Quran 19:17. Thus, she kept herself in seclusion from people. Then We sent to her Our spirit, and it appeared before her in the form of a perfect man.

3- Revelation Book/Quran
Quran 42:52 And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, [O Muhammad], you guide to a straight path -

spirit = revelation.
And basic verses in our body like Adam:

Quran 30:30So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.

We are obliged to direct the truth through the inside verses.

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Since Jesus, like Adam, was created without sexuality, i.e. without the intrinsic revelation from his ancestors through his genes, just like the first man, he too had a spirit breathed into him, i.e. revelation was imprinted in his body/genes.

Peace
 
Emre_1974tr said:
This world is not a world of testing "from Allah's point of view". Because He already knows what we will do. This world is a miniature - a sample life that "symbolizes what we would do if we lived forever". And since we don't know what will happen, it is a world of trial for us.

That is why some people's test is terminated by Allah "at the very moment of their disbelief". But if that man had lived two more years, perhaps he would have died a believer.
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Rule 4 violation snipped

We should constantly produce good behaviors that will make people happy.


(My Turkish article translated with machine)

https://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kader-ve-ozgur-irade.html

Peace
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https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611910.msg438780;topicseen#msg438780
 
And just when I thought the Bible was boring silly nonsense. Emre is here to show us that the Quran gives the Bible a run for its money in that department.

Congrats Emre. You just showed us former Christians, that there are other silly nonsense books that are capable of boring us to tears.

:bigclap
 
Emre_1974tr said:
This world is not a world of testing "from Allah's point of view". Because He already knows what we will do. This world is a miniature - a sample life that "symbolizes what we would do if we lived forever". And since we don't know what will happen, it is a world of trial for us.

That is why some people's test is terminated by Allah "at the very moment of their disbelief". But if that man had lived two more years, perhaps he would have died a believer.
Edited by jimbob: 
Rule 4 violation snipped

We should constantly produce good behaviors that will make people happy.


(My Turkish article translated with machine)

https://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kader-ve-ozgur-irade.html

Peace
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So do we have free will or not?
 
Emre_1974tr said:
That is why some people's test is terminated by Allah "at the very moment of their disbelief". But if that man had lived two more years, perhaps he would have died a believer.
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That sounds unfair. Why wouldn't Allah wait two more years, so that the man dies as a believer?
 
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