DeSantis’s Lost Cause

[arayder]

Gentlefolks, I agree with your assessment of the hypocrisy of fixed political positions.

I am reminded of conservative congressmen who during, FRD's presidency, rolled over on the issue of government spending so as to assure that government work projects, roads, and dams were located in their districts.

We all know of liberal politicians who proclaim that they trust women to control their reproductive systems but can't conscience the idea of an adult with an automatic rifle.

Is this hypocrisy, or a question of degree, or a natural diversity of approach to complex problems?

There's the rub, eh?

Let me, also, point out that we are having this discussion without debate games or trolling?

Thank you.

 

[JoeMorgue]

We all know of liberal politicians who proclaim that they trust women to control their reproductive systems but can't conscience the idea of an adult with an automatic rifle.

Women don't shot up a classroom of children every 7 seconds in this country with their vaginas, next bad analogy please.

Again what's the point of this "Admit the Libs aren't perfect" routine?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Couple with your inference that lying to the voters is right one has to question your sense of right and wrong.

In Maga world, winning = right. Losing = the other side is wrong.

 

[arayder]

We all know of liberal politicians who proclaim that they trust women to control their reproductive systems but can't conscience the idea of an adult with an automatic rifle.

Women don't shot up a classroom of children every 7 seconds in this country with their vaginas, next bad analogy please.

Again what's the point of this "Admit the Libs aren't perfect" routine?

And women don't use their vaginas to keep wolves from the livestock, or put meat on the family table.

Do I meet your "next bad analogy" requirement?

 

[Foster Zygote]

We all know of liberal politicians who proclaim that they trust women to control their reproductive systems but can't conscience the idea of an adult with an automatic rifle.

Wow! That's one of the dumbest analogies I've ever seen. And I say that without hyperbole.

Women are born with their reproductive systems, I might point out.

And who the **** needs an automatic rifle to put meat on the table? All the hunters I know strive to take a deer with one shot. And how often are wolves getting at the livestock? Are you communicating with us from the 18th Century? And do you really need more than a bolt-action hunting rifle, or a Winchester to protect the sheep and your family from all those wolves swarming the homestead?

Why stop at automatic rifles? "If a woman can be responsible for her own vajayjay, then I demand the right to shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles and towed artillery!"

 

[Warp12]

Why stop at automatic rifles? "If a woman can be responsible for her own vajayjay, then I demand the right to shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles and towed artillery!"

Definitely less loss of life under the latter scenario. Probably not a good topic of discussion to raise for this thread, as a piece of advice.

 

[arayder]

Gentlefolks, I agree with your assessment of the hypocrisy of fixed political positions.

I am reminded of conservative congressmen who during, FRD's presidency, rolled over on the issue of government spending so as to assure that government work projects, roads, and dams were located in their districts.

We all know of liberal politicians who proclaim that they trust women to control their reproductive systems but can't conscience the idea of an adult with an automatic rifle.

Is this hypocrisy, or a question of degree, or a natural diversity of approach to complex problems?

There's the rub, eh?

Let me, also, point out that we are having this discussion without debate games or trolling?

Thank you.

Wow! That's one of the dumbest analogies I've ever seen. And I say that without hyperbole.

Women are born with their reproductive systems, I might point out.

And who the **** needs an automatic rifle to put meat on the table? All the hunters I know strive to take a deer with one shot. And how often are wolves getting at the livestock? Are you communicating with us from the 18th Century? And do you really need more than a bolt-action hunting rifle, or a Winchester to protect the sheep and your family from all those wolves swarming the homestead?

Why stop at automatic rifles? "If a woman can be responsible for her own vajayjay, then I demand the right to shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles and towed artillery!"

With all do respect you don't seem to have any understanding of life in rural America. Your "shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles and towed artillery" line is just plain unknowledgeable.

You may know a few gentleman hunters who love their old bolt action guns, but auto rifles are what work and are the most available in the real world.

Auto rifles include a broad class of rifles beyond the "evil" AR-15. Many are commonly refer to as "ranch rifles". They allow for a faster second, follow up shot on the predator who is going to kill your live stock. When the lambs, the chickens and the eggs are gone you have to go to the store for food thus forcing you to send your kids to school with last year's old dirty, tight shoes.

Or maybe your wife gives herself a coat hanger abortion because she knows you can't feed another child?

You ever walked in this man's shoes?

 

[Stellafane]

With all do respect you don't seem to have any understanding of life in rural America. Your "shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles and towed artillery" line is just plain unknowledgeable.

You may know a few gentleman hunters who love their old bolt action guns, but auto rifles are what work and are the most available in the real world.

Auto rifles include a broad class of rifles beyond the "evil" AR-15. Many are commonly refer to as "ranch rifles". They allow for a faster second, follow up shot on the predator who is going to kill your live stock. When the lambs, the chickens and the eggs are gone you have to go to the store for food thus forcing you to send your kids to school with last year's old dirty, tight shoes.

Or maybe your wife gives herself a coat hanger abortion because she knows you can't feed another child?

You ever walked in this man's shoes?

I've lived in rural America for many decades. And your description of what goes on here is laughably stereotypical and bears little resemblance to reality.

 

[arayder]

I've lived in rural America for many decades. And your description of what goes on here is laughably stereotypical and bears little resemblance to reality.

Oh, my best friend lived this reality for years.

 

[Stacyhs]

A lot of voters find his statement relatable...whether you do or not. Oh well.

A lot of voters find Putin's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Nick Fuentes' statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Jon Minadeo II's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Marjorie Taylor-Greene's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Lauren Boebert's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Paul Gosar's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Ted Cruz's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Enrique Tarrio's statements relatable.
A lot of voters find Ron Johnson's statements relatable.
A lot of voters are idiots.

 

[Stacyhs]

I believe we might see that the libs were "digging their own holes", as you put it.

You believe a lot of things that have no supporting evidence which is why you often evade giving supporting examples of your claims.

Instituted policy and election results will tell the story.

You mean like the one in Kansas this month, a red state, where the voters overwhelming voted not to allow the state legislature to ban abortion? Or this week's election in a NY swing district where the Dem running on a pro-choice freedom issue beat the Republican who was favored to win?

Even McConnell is saying the Dems could well keep control of the Senate now.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Oh, my best friend lived this reality for years.

Anecdotal Evidence: the Bane of reasoned debated since .. forever.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's kind of funny, in a sad way, that defending a conservative position is often indistinguishable from trolling.

Or living in a fantasy world.

 

[Stacyhs]

Depends on your defintion of troll.
I think a Troll is somebody who posts crap because they get their jollies from the fuss they stir up. They want attettion, and don't care what kind of attention they get.
Warp12 over the past couple of weeks is being delibertly inflammatory in his or her comments in a way that makes be wonder if stirring up crap is the main motive rather then push a political view.

They aren't mutually exclusive, ya know.

 

[Stacyhs]

The philosophy of small government isn't necessarily wrong. But those who call themselves conservatives these days clearly don't believe in it. Smaller government does not mean interfering with female reproductive rights, or with rights based on sexual orientation, or favoring one religion's ideals over others. Hell, this very thread is about a conservative effort to expand government control over public education.

It would be more accurate to say that conservatives differ from liberals not in terms of the size of government, but rather the issues to which they believe the government should be applied.

Well said.

 

[arayder]

I've lived in rural America for many decades. And your description of what goes on here is laughably stereotypical and bears little resemblance to reality.

Oh, my best friend lived this reality for years.

Anecdotal Evidence: the Bane of reasoned debated since .. forever.

Here's more. . .a lady who cleans houses in my neighborhood saw me outside working on the lawn just yesterday and asked if we needed our house cleaned.

She was desperate to get more cleaning work because opossums had killed all her chickens, which were a major food source for her family.

I asked if she had tried to trap the opossums and she said she and her husband had thought the traps were too expensive. Her plan was work hard, this time get some traps and then get more chickens.

You call it anecdotal evidence. I call it listening.

 

[Donal]

I noticed you said "traps" and not "m-16s"

 

[arayder]

I noticed you said "traps" and not "m-16s"

Some animals are better trapped.

Some need to be shot.

My friend I mentioned in post 249 was dealing with feral hogs who were literally eating up his ranch.

There had been other predators around before but the hogs had taken over the environment. He was in the process of getting cattle, but at the rate things were going there wasn't going to be anywhere for them to live.

He and a few of his hunting buddies armed themselves with the kind of large caliber rifles one needs to put a hog down. Some were in the A-15 platform, but had larger calibers.

For a couple of years none of the hunters and a few local charitable organizations never bought a piece of meat because there was hog meat for everyone.

Eventually the hogs moved on.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Okay I'm totally lost as to what gun control has to do with abortion.

There is an infinite number of Kevin Bacons between "Da guberment won't let me own a tank to control the local feral hog population" and "therefore Democrats are hypocrites for asking that women please not be seen as nothing but broodmares for the state."

 

[arayder]

Okay I'm totally lost as to what gun control has to do with abortion.

There is an infinite number of Kevin Bacons between "Da guberment won't let me own a tank to control the local feral hog population" and "therefore Democrats are hypocrites for asking that women please not be seen as nothing but broodmares for the state."

One of the hogs that got shot was carrying baby hog.

Does that count?