DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

Warp12 said:
They were conveniently removed.
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I Am The Scum said:
This is still false. You can either do some basic fact-checking or be an unpaid advertiser of Republican lies. Your call.
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See this?

Local officials, residents and community groups provided shelter and food to the immigrants who arrived on Sept. 14, but they were taken Sept. 16 to nearby Joint Base Cape Cod, a military base with dormitory-style housing, for longer-term shelter.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ary-didnt-deport-immigrants-marthas-vineyard/


That is called "being removed". And Sept.14th-16th is what is known as "two days".
 
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Warp12 said:
They were conveniently removed. Then the residents held a party, no doubt. Nobody wants 50 random immigrants camping out in the neighborhood. Nobody with half a brain, anyway.
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HAW! What complete idiocy. Of course, one has to feel almost sorry for Republicans, because a major component of their stunt was the hope that Martha's Vineyard would react negatively to the poor homeless dropped so callously and cynically into their midst, with zero warning or preparation. DeSantis and his stupid crew of apologists were so hoping that the migrants would be treated shabbily, since after all that's what they would have done.

Instead they were welcomed warmly, received substantial donations, and in general were treated like guests. This of course is extremely contrary to the whole plan, so now Republicans have to spin the MV response into something it isn't. So as some sort of pathetic face-saving attempt, the spin is that anything short of MV residents abandoning their homes and giving them to the migrants is proof of NIMBY -- despite the fact the migrants would likely have been thrown in jail (or worse) in a Republican town.

Trying to turn this around into a black eye for Democrats takes a special combination of stupidity and dishonesty -- both of which appear to be in abundant supply in today's GOP and their boot-licking apologists.
 
Warp12 said:
See this?


https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ary-didnt-deport-immigrants-marthas-vineyard/


That is called "being removed". And Sept.14th-16th is what is known as "two days".
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The very next paragraph in your source says:
That led some on social media to allege that the U.S. military was used to "deport" the immigrants off the wealthy island. But that is not what happened. The military wasn’t involved in their transport to the base, and the immigrants went there voluntarily, according to a civil rights group representing many of them.
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Unlike the trip to the Vineyard, I doubt there were any bald-faced lies told to the migrants about the move to the Cape.

So, is it really called "being removed" or "being offered better accommodations on the mainland"?

Anyway, it's not like you really care. They're Venezuelans. **** 'em.
 
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phiwum said:
So, is it really called "being removed" or "being offered better accommodations on the mainland"?
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Call it whatever you like. :rolleyes:

They went to MA voluntarily also. Hell, they even signed papers to that effect. As far as the "lies", let's see the evidence in court.
 
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As an applicant for asylum, would you consent to be brought somewhere if you were told that your arrival would be unannounced and no provisions had been made?

By all means, let's review the evidence. But as of what is known now, is there any plausible scenario where the passengers were not deceived?
 
Warp12 said:
They went to MA voluntarily also. Hell, they even signed papers to that effect.
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Why lie about something so stupid? At least some of them were told they were going to Boston. Martha's Vineyard is about 100 miles and a ferry ride to the south of Boston, according to Google Maps.

Does it really bother you that much that people from MV are not the giant ******** you think they ought to be?
 
Upchurch said:
...Does it really bother you that much that people from MV are not the giant ******** you think they ought to be?
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Oh, but that spoils everything, don't you see? The MV folks were supposed to get all panicky and upset at the presence of all these non-whites dropped so unceremoniously in their midst. Unfortunately, they didn't get the script.

That being said, perhaps a little understanding is in order. After all, the MV people acted so different and contrary to the way Republicans would, the latter can't really be blamed for not recognizing what they are witnessing, and assuming there just has to be some selfishness and hypocrisy at the bottom of it.
 
Upchurch said:
Does it really bother you that much that people from MV are not the giant ******** you think they ought to be?
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You guys are funny. I don't care how they reacted in MA, from a political standpoint. Not one bit.

I'm just happy he sent them out of FL to MA, which is "unofficially" a sanctuary state. As I have said, it is symbolic. None of the targeted voting demographic gives a rat's ass about how the people in MA responded. That really wasn't the point, imo. DeSantis is luring Trump's huge base of supporters into his fold. This is what they can imagine Trump doing.

Seeing the libs freak out is motive enough. It's so funny.
 
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Warp12 said:
Call it whatever you like. :rolleyes:
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Big difference between "being removed" and "being voluntarily transported to a more appropriate setting". I don't know why you roll your eyes at that distinction.

They went to MA voluntarily also. Hell, they even signed papers to that effect. As far as the "lies", let's see the evidence in court.
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I will be interested to see it in court as well.

In the interim, we have a brochure allegedly given to the migrants prior to their agreement to go to Massachusetts. This brochure contains plain lies about benefits awaiting them. It's possible that the brochure was faked, but I sincerely doubt it. That brochure gives me pretty good evidence, for now, that they were told some lies about their destination.

I suppose you find it more convenient to pretend that the brochure doesn't exist or that it's just as likely to be fake as real.
 
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Warp12 said:
I'm just happy he sent them out of FL to MA, which is "unofficially" a sanctuary state.
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After first moving them into Florida. Which kinda undercuts the claim that Florida is swamped by too many immigrants, doesn't it? He had to import them in order to relieve the state of them.
 
phiwum said:
After first moving them into Florida. Which kinda undercuts the claim that Florida is swamped by too many immigrants, doesn't it? He had to import them in order to relieve the state of them.
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My only thought that makes this even somewhat logical (even from DeSantis warped mind) is that rounding up 50 random Hispanic immigrants in Florida will almost certainly mean some are Cuban and that will piss off a significant block of Florida voters. I really cannot come up with any other explanation for the two-step part of his scheme.
 
phiwum said:
After first moving them into Florida. Which kinda undercuts the claim that Florida is swamped by too many immigrants, doesn't it? He had to import them in order to relieve the state of them.
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Perception is more powerful than truth.

It doesn't matter whether FL is overrun with Venezuelan immigrants, or not. I don't know why some can't just accept the symbolic nature, and the fact that this is only intended to solidify his base and attract right-wing supporters, country-wide. Mission accomplished, I'd bet.

He is top news now, and in the eyes of the targeted demographic, for all the right reasons.
 
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Warp12 said:
Perception is more powerful than truth.

It doesn't matter whether FL is overrun with Venezuelan immigrants, or not. I don't know why some can't just accept the symbolic nature, and the fact that this is only intended to solidify his base and attract right-wing supporters, country-wide. Mission accomplished, I'd bet.

He is top news now, and in the eyes of the targeted demographic, for all the right reasons.
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I accept that unreservedly. It was a political stunt that will fool those who are easily fooled.... hell that WANT to be fooled where their world view is reinforced. That demographic corresponds very closely to the MAGA crowd.
 
lobosrul5 said:
My only thought that makes this even somewhat logical (even from DeSantis warped mind) is that rounding up 50 random Hispanic immigrants in Florida will almost certainly mean some are Cuban and that will piss off a significant block of Florida voters. I really cannot come up with any other explanation for the two-step part of his scheme.
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Part of the grifting shell game, I think. He's paying for it with Florida state funds at exorbitant rates, 3-5x what the actual cost for a private plane for fifty people would be. It passes through Florida, but none of the aggrieved parties are in Florida to bring a case locally and challenge the use of the funds.
 
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Warp12 said:
Perception is more powerful than truth.

It doesn't matter whether FL is overrun with Venezuelan immigrants, or not. I don't know why some can't just accept the symbolic nature, and the fact that this is only intended to solidify his base and attract right-wing supporters, country-wide. Mission accomplished, I'd bet.

He is top news now, and in the eyes of the targeted demographic, for all the right reasons.
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Sure, the cynical political move might have been prudent (though time will tell). And if all you care about is political self-interest, then he's your man.

From where I sit, he's a ******* *******. But some folks admire successful ******* ********.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Part of the grifting shell game, I think. He's paying for it with Florida state funds at exorbitant rates, 3-5x what the actual cost for a private plane for fifty people would be. It passes through Florida, but none of the aggrieved parties are in Florida to bring a case locally and challenge the use of the funds.
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Wouldn't taxpayers in FL be among the aggrieved parties? Or, in principle, the state legistlature?
 
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