Derren Brown's screaming stooges

[Bram Kaandorp]

how much a hypnotized person remembers depends on the trance depth, which refers to the subconscious and conscious mind. do you remember all of the deams you have?
I've experienced both hypnotherapy, where I remembered everything quite clearly, and somnambulism, which is very different, and I remembered nothing mostly, or just fragments sometimes.
you may be one of the 90% who cannot reach somnambulism.

www.hypnosisforyou.com/bynum.html

Maybe the "deep trance" session only lasts 20 seconds and the therapist just tells you that it lasted longer...

That might explain the lack of memories from them.

 

[Sledge]

we all make mistakes, this is why pencils have erasers on the end.

Some of us more than others.

no genuine hypnotist would mix hypnotism with a magic show.

No one who genuinely understood hypnosis would choose to use the username "silver birch" on an online forum.

 

[carlitos]

No one who genuinely understood hypnosis would choose to use the username "silver birch" on an online forum.

I had to google that, and like whoa.

Silver Birch is an ancient AfterLife entity, on the Other Side for 3000 years. Many years ago he transmitted (channeled) book-length AfterLife information for us to study. In very recent times, via the mediumistic abilities of David Thompson (see Victor's site), Silver Birch has physically manifested allowing direct conversation!!​

silver birch (the poster, not the 3000-year-old AfterLife entity) - would you please consider using capitalization and paragraphs? Your posts are very hard to read.

 

[Stray Cat]

no genuine hypnotist would mix hypnotism with a magic show.

No genuine Satanic demon would turn a person into a tiger as part of a magic show.

 

[Azrael 5]

Silver Birch FYI Svengali is also the name of a trick deck of cards.

 

[silver birch]

I had to google that, and like whoa.

Silver Birch is an ancient AfterLife entity, on the Other Side for 3000 years. Many years ago he transmitted (channeled) book-length AfterLife information for us to study. In very recent times, via the mediumistic abilities of David Thompson (see Victor's site), Silver Birch has physically manifested allowing direct conversation!!
​

silver birch (the poster, not the 3000-year-old AfterLife entity) - would you please consider using capitalization and paragraphs? Your posts are very hard to read.

Its also the name of a tree in my garden.

 

[3point14]

Mr Birch, how old are you?

I'm afraid you know much less about hypnotism than you think you do if you think it's a well defined 'state of mind'. There's a half decent argument that it doesn't actually exist at all.

It does appear that most of your outrage is simply that he can do things you can't. Perhaps if you studied harder..?

 

[Information Analyst]

I've done no such thing. hypnotism is not a magic trick, it is a genuine altered state of consciousness. if DB claims to have put ben in this state when ben is faking, then both of them are being dishonest.

How is that any different from a stage magician claiming to shoot a bullet into a pack of cards to lodge in a particular one?

 

[kmortis]

Folks, keep this on topic and civil or I'll have to hypnotise you all into yellow cards. Capise?

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis

 

[silver birch]

thanks for that, back to the thread title- Derren Brown's screaming stooges.
Here is what obviously happened-
The script went something like this-
When the studio technician pulls the invisible fishing line and the glass falls over, you all have a good scream. (according to DB it is ideomotor, you don't believe that, whats that anyway?)

 

[silver birch]

should it be idiotic motor?

 

[Lamuella]

thanks for that, back to the thread title- Derren Brown's screaming stooges.
Here is what obviously happened-
The script went something like this-
When the studio technician pulls the invisible fishing line and the glass falls over, you all have a good scream. (according to DB it is ideomotor, you don't believe that, whats that anyway?)

which part of this 51 minute video are you talking about?

also, ideomotor effect is quite a real thing.

 

[3point14]

thanks for that, back to the thread title- Derren Brown's screaming stooges.
Here is what obviously happened-
The script went something like this-
When the studio technician pulls the invisible fishing line and the glass falls over, you all have a good scream. (according to DB it is ideomotor, you don't believe that, whats that anyway?)

You could look it up? You know, actually do the research before coming to the conclusion. It's the traditional method.

 

[Azrael 5]

Silver BIrch can you just bring some proof eh?There's a good chap.

 

[silver birch]

which part of this 51 minute video are you talking about?

also, ideomotor effect is quite a real thing.

the part where a girl who has never been a medium before, is chosen to be one, they are holding hands in the dark, after DB puts the candles out, waiting for this spirit to come through, the glass falls over and they all scream.

 

[Stray Cat]

the part where a girl who has never been a medium before, is chosen to be one, they are holding hands in the dark, after DB puts the candles out, waiting for this spirit to come through, the glass falls over and they all scream.

And why would that require stooges?

If you build up an expectation in people and then supply them with a trigger that confirms their expectation, they don't need to be stooges.

That's why people tell ghost stories around camp fires at night and not in MacDonalds on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

 

[Moss]

A good setting can do wonders for the imagination. Which in turn can freak you out better than more obvious things.

 

[Lamuella]

the part where a girl who has never been a medium before, is chosen to be one, they are holding hands in the dark, after DB puts the candles out, waiting for this spirit to come through, the glass falls over and they all scream.

OK, now explain to me how you couldn't get that reaction by, you know, a conjuring trick and scaring people?

 

[Azrael 5]

And why would that require stooges?

If you build up an expectation in people and then supply them with a trigger that confirms their expectation, they don't need to be stooges.

That's why people tell ghost stories around camp fires at night and not in MacDonalds on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

McDonalds is scary enough on a Saturday afternoon in my town

OK, now explain to me how you couldn't get that reaction by, you know, a conjuring trick and scaring people?

You would think it's a no brainer. Less happens on Most Haunted and they scream the place down.

 

[Sledge]

What's your POINT, silver birch? You seem to be trying to point out that Derren Brown uses tricks to achieve his results. We know this. In the very unlikely event you correctly figure out how he achieved some result, no one is going to say "My god, the man's a fraud! We had no idea!" but "Oh, so THAT'S how he did it. Cool."