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Deporting illegal residents.

One can only imagine how incredibly frightening and anxiety provoking it must be to be in a position of imminent deportation - or even having to survive day to day on short-term residents permits. In Finland, if you have a work visa but lose your job, unless you get another job quite quickly, you're expected to leave the country.

What people do, like the ones in the GUARDIAN recently, is turn to the press, as that is a tactic that has worked in the past, public outcry and lobbying of senators and ministers with powers to intervene.

There have been a few heart-rending stories in my local press. For example, some guy with a successful restaurant now asked to leave, a young girl who was a student, now living as a family member as an in-law, or even a family from South Asia who wanted their granny to visit for a holiday but 'computer says, no'; it's all very brutal. One reads these stories and then silence. No follow up story as to what happened to those desperate heartbroken people.
 
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Vixen said:
One can only imagine how incredibly frightening and anxiety provoking it must be to be in a position of imminent deportation - or even having to survive day to day on short-term residents permits. In Finland, if you have a work visa but lose your job, unless you get another job quite quickly, you're expected to leave the country.

What people do, like the ones in the GUARDIAN recently, is turn to the press, as that is a tactic that has worked in the past, public outcry and lobbying of senators and ministers with powers to intervene.

There have been a few heart-rending stories in my local press. For example, some guy with a successful restaurant now asked to leave, a young girl who was a student, now living as a family member as an in-law, or even a family from South Asia who wanted their granny to visit for a holiday but 'computer says, no'; it's all very brutal. One reads these stories and then silence. No follow up story as to what happened to those desperate heartbroken people.
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They're illegals. Too bad. Boot them.
 
I worked on Operation Nexus, which involved identifying immigrants who had previous convictions or warrants from their home countries and if possible, starting the deportation process. But, and it is a big but, lots of countries will not take such people back. China were so bad, we had to stop asking for information, as they would make that person a non-citizen and even go after their family. Then countries like Syria, Somalia and Libya had no functioning authority who could accept a deportation.
 
theprestige said:
Talk about deporting white people, and all the racism comes out into the open.
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This is true, when white people are treated like non whites the racism underlying the deportation systems comes fully to the front.

Suddenly what is 'right and proper' becomes inhumane and evil, only because it happens to people lacking melanin in their skin.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
This is true, when white people are treated like non whites the racism underlying the deportation systems comes fully to the front.

Suddenly what is 'right and proper' becomes inhumane and evil, only because it happens to people lacking melanin in their skin.
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Do you think it's a good thing to deport illegal immigrants and visa overstayers, if they're white?
 
It's the same thing with appeal to analogy. People fall all over themselves to tell me I'm wrong, and then as soon as I try it to see if they're onto something, they fall all over themselves to prove me right.

But whatever. I withdraw the question.

Instead, I'll say this: Broadly speaking, there's been two kinds of rhetoric in this thread. One is the perfectly reasonable, laws are laws, deporting illegal residents is good even when they're white, keep doing it, kind of rhetoric. The other is the perfectly racist, haha look it's white people getting deported for a change, good job kind of rhetoric.

What's notable about this divide is that it's the supposed "racists" in the immigration debate who are quite happy to apply their principles evenly to everyone regardless of race. And it's the race-mongerers who are quick to make it about race the moment they get the opportunity. As usual.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
This is true, when white people are treated like non whites the racism underlying the deportation systems comes fully to the front.

Suddenly what is 'right and proper' becomes inhumane and evil, only because it happens to people lacking melanin in their skin.
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But those thinking that skin colour comes into this at all are misunderstanding the issue. The issue is that the UK left the EU which meant that UK citizens are no longer EU citizens so that means we lost our automatic right to live in any EU country, the ones who have seemingly made the most noise about this in the UK are our "patriots", they think it is a betrayal and punishment from the EU for us leaving the EU rather than a consequence of us leaving the EU. Surprisingly (British meaning) another very vocal group have been the "expats" that lived in Spain prior to Brexit. The irony is that we often would see those expats saying they would be voting to leave the EU before the referendum, said interviews being in Spain. Part of this attitude was fueled by many of those campaigning for the UK to leave, they claimed nothing would change often expressed as "they need us more than we need them", it was also fueled by stupidity and unfounded arrogance.
 
theprestige said:
It's the same thing with appeal to analogy. People fall all over themselves to tell me I'm wrong, and then as soon as I try it to see if they're onto something, they fall all over themselves to prove me right.

But whatever. I withdraw the question.

Instead, I'll say this: Broadly speaking, there's been two kinds of rhetoric in this thread. One is the perfectly reasonable, laws are laws, deporting illegal residents is good even when they're white, keep doing it, kind of rhetoric. The other is the perfectly racist, haha look it's white people getting deported for a change, good job kind of rhetoric.

What's notable about this divide is that it's the supposed "racists" in the immigration debate who are quite happy to apply their principles evenly to everyone regardless of race. And it's the race-mongerers who are quick to make it about race the moment they get the opportunity. As usual.
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Why do Americans bring 'race' into European politics? Europe is made up of nationalities, including ethnic minorities that don't have their own state but are recognised as a group. For example, the Sami or the Roma.

I think because the USA is so different in population makeup, then it becomes easier to just use skin colour as a cultural determinate.
 
Darat said:
<snip>... Surprisingly (British meaning) another very vocal group have been the "expats" that lived in Spain prior to Brexit. The irony is that we often would see those expats saying they would be voting to leave the EU before the referendum, said interviews being in Spain. Part of this attitude was fueled by many of those campaigning for the UK to leave, they claimed nothing would change often expressed as "they need us more than we need them", it was also fueled by stupidity and unfounded arrogance.
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Fortunately most of those 'expats' couldn't be arsed to fill out the minimal paperwork and attend the appointments that the Spanish government required Article 50 migrants to complete (it must be said, Spanish paperwork and office appointments are legendarily tedious).
Likewise they found driving license exchange and car registraion (r/h drive, of course*) beneath them, and the idea of actually paying tax to the community that that hosted them was theft. So they went back to Ingerland..

They're not missed. Us immigrants don't feel the need need to be apologetic any more.

*driving a r/h drive car over here is a complete pain, especially at car parks or road tolls.
 
Ex-pats who moan about their new countries of residence, are lifes moaners. They would have moaned about their home country as well. There are a grass grows greener type person, everywhere they go.
 
Darat said:
But those thinking that skin colour comes into this at all are misunderstanding the issue. The issue is that the UK left the EU which meant that UK citizens are no longer EU citizens so that means we lost our automatic right to live in any EU country, the ones who have seemingly made the most noise about this in the UK are our "patriots", they think it is a betrayal and punishment from the EU for us leaving the EU rather than a consequence of us leaving the EU. Surprisingly (British meaning) another very vocal group have been the "expats" that lived in Spain prior to Brexit. The irony is that we often would see those expats saying they would be voting to leave the EU before the referendum, said interviews being in Spain. Part of this attitude was fueled by many of those campaigning for the UK to leave, they claimed nothing would change often expressed as "they need us more than we need them", it was also fueled by stupidity and unfounded arrogance.
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Other than Ireland, British people still have the right to live here and vote (after establising a permanent residence) under the CTA.
 
Since there's an election here on Sunday, and the Brits have gotten a lot of media coverage, many of our politicians are now hurriedly promising to do something about the situation. Which I think is a good idea, since the Brits are not the only ones affected by the recent rule changes.

The thing that surprises me, or maybe not, is that this has been widely discussed in the media - it was a very weird move on the part of our present government, reversing permanent residenset permits - and people living here could hardly have missed that. But many of the Brits seem not to have been aware that they would be impacted.

I am grateful, however; this may well mean that we go back to defining permanent as exactly that; permanent.
 
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