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Deporting illegal residents.

Seems like people aren't all that concerned about the race of the foreigners, lots of people dislike foreigners no matter what they look like. Mostly, it's only when they move into their neighborhoods, they don't generally care if they are out of sight and out of mind. It's sentiment that occurs almost everywhere immigration is at a noticeable level.

If you look, you can find stories like this from all over the world. South Africans upset at folks from North of them moving in. Mexicans upset at folks crossing their southern border, obviously the US and Europe. Japan doesn't care, they just don't let folks immigrate.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
It helps when they can't just walk in.
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The British Isles seem to have missed the memo.

In the modern era, "can't just walk in" seems to be entirely a policy choice, not a geographical constraint. After all, Japan lets about 42 million tourists "walk in" every year. But only about 0.055% of the population is in the country illegally. Compare with the UK, where over 1.1% of the population is there illegally. So either Japan could lighten up a bit, or the UK could tighten up a bit.
 
I cannot grasp the notion of going to a foreign country, violating its laws, and then being upset when it tells me to leave. Bizarro world.
 
By "illegal resident" do you include visa overstayers? Not the ones who snuck in unseen, but those who were let in totally legally through the front door on a valid visa with a time limit.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
By "illegal resident" do you include visa overstayers? Not the ones who snuck in unseen, but those who were let in totally legally through the front door on a valid visa with a time limit.
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If they've overstayed, then they're illegal. That's pretty much the norm worldwide.
 
Well, this gives an unexpected segue to celebrate the life of the recently passed Tim Curry.

 
Norman Alexander said:
You let them in, legally. So whose fault is it they are in the country?
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The responsibility for overstaying their visa is entirely theirs. They chose to remain illegally. I didn't choose that for them, neither did anyone else.

The responsibility for not diligently enforcing their visa once they choose to overstay is of course on the government, and in a democracy on the people who don't demand such diligence.

I demand such diligence and vote accordingly, so it's my fault only in the sense that I don't commit even more of my time and energy to getting my government to enforce my laws.

Why do you ask?
 
theprestige said:
The responsibility for overstaying their visa is entirely theirs. They chose to remain illegally. I didn't choose that for them, neither did anyone else.

The responsibility for not diligently enforcing their visa once they choose to overstay is of course on the government, and in a democracy on the people who don't demand such diligence.

I demand such diligence and vote accordingly, so it's my fault only in the sense that I don't commit even more of my time and energy to getting my government to enforce my laws.

Why do you ask?
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It's your fault for giving a visa in the first place to anyone who is obviously going to overstay. And it's your fault for not constantly tracking time-limited visa holders, so they can be easily found and deported the instant their visa expires. That way there would be no illegal visa overstayers at all.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It's your fault for giving a visa in the first place to anyone who is obviously going to overstay. And it's your fault for not constantly tracking time-limited visa holders, so they can be easily found and deported the instant their visa expires. That way there would be no illegal visa overstayers at all.
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Or we can just hold people responsible for their actions.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It's your fault for giving a visa in the first place to anyone who is obviously going to overstay. And it's your fault for not constantly tracking time-limited visa holders, so they can be easily found and deported the instant their visa expires. That way there would be no illegal visa overstayers at all.
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No, this is silly.

I've lived overseas in a number of places for periods up to years. All the documents I've received granting me permission (as a non-citizen) to stay in these countries clearly state the last day on which the permission is valid. It's up to me, the licensee, to either leave by that time or have made arrangements with the government to extend the permission. It's no more the government's responsibility to actively seek me out and remove me as it is the government's job to come to my house and bang on my door when my driver license expires. Enforcement occurs when a reason arises to query the permission by which I'm doing something, whatever it is.

However, should I overstay my visa I would expect some proportionality to the enforcement. I might expect to be taken gently into custody if all I've done is commit an immigration infraction, or simply ordered to leave. But what many Americans object to (and which isn't necessarily always the case) is the brutality with which some American immigration enforcements are taking place.
 
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