Democrats vote on November 5!

[Lonewulf]

Yeah, dudalb seems to have an obsession for the GOP.

It's almost hilarious, if it weren't so sad...

 

[Jeff Corey]

It's a well-known joke that has appeared in opposite forms (just replace "Republican" with "Democrat" and vice versa) for several POTUS elections now.

It's certainly not an attempt at vote fraud.

Sorry if the foreigners got confused.

PS - being a registered party member is only an issue in the primaries in some states, it has nothing to do with the general election anywhere.

Sorry, but I am a register voter and I'm not confused. It is an attempt to commit vote fraud.
See the Voter intimidation and deceptive practices act previously referenced.

 

[Lonewulf]

GOD, why do I have to see Wildcat's posts after I ignored him? Sigh, can't help but note this again.

It's a well-known joke that has appeared in opposite forms (just replace "Republican" with "Democrat" and vice versa) for several POTUS elections now.

It's certainly not an attempt at vote fraud.

Sorry if the foreigners got confused.

I love it how people point out "foreigners" so quickly.

Sorry if the Americans got confused (I'm not a "foreigner", by the way, sorry to disappoint you; I bet my family has more service to the United States of America in their collective finger than you have in your entire history).

However, this was a crime.

Yes, it was a crime.

They forged a document.

They published a forged document claiming something false about the voting system.

It was a crime. Period. End of question. Anyone that wants to argue the point are pretty much using dishonesty to justify whatever position they want to hold.

Next?

 

[RandFan]

SorryIt is an attempt to commit vote fraud.

So it is impossible that it is anything but fraud? Are we suppose to accept that is an attempt to commit fraud simply because you assert that it is?

 

[gdnp]

Look, I do not approve of these leaflets. It is just that they are so stupid and lame I don't think anybody who was trying to steal an election would waste time on them.

Agreed. I think the leaflets claiming that if you have unpaid parking tickets you will be arrested if you show up to vote, distributed in heavily Democratic neighborhoods, is a far more serious threat to voting rights.

 

[Lonewulf]

So it is impossible that it is anything but fraud? Are we suppose to accept that is an attempt to commit fraud simply because you assert that it is?

They forged a document. They used real logos, of the Virginia Commonwealth.

I'm pretty sure the evidence is stacked pretty highly here. You'll need to counter with something else soon, unless you want to take it on a matter of faith?

 

[RandFan]

Yes, it was a crime.

They forged a document.

They published a forged document claiming something false about the voting system.

It was a crime. Period.

A few years back SNL did a skit telling people to vote Republican. The skit, I believe, fit your criteria. Was that a crime? I've seen similar things that were clearly intended to be jokes. I remain unconvinced. It might have been a crime but I've not seen the evidence.

 

[Lonewulf]

A few years back SNL did a skit telling people to vote Republican. The skit, I believe, fit your criteria.

They passed out pamphlets, carrying a forged logo of the Commonwealth of Virginia, outside of a show specifically centered around satire?

This is desperate, especially for you.

Sigh...


Drinking the flavor aid, I guess.

I'm going to go kill myself now.

So, you're seriously willing to let this all pass, just laugh it off and act like it's not a crime? In spite of all that it actually is?

So if I print money, distribute it, and when I'm caught, claim I'm "just making a joke"... I can get off scott free, right? I mean, Randi printed fake money for a magic show, so I can do that, right?

Seriously.

 

[RandFan]

They forged a document. They used real logos, of the Virginia Commonwealth.

I'm pretty sure the evidence is stacked pretty highly here. You'll need to counter with something else soon, unless you want to take it on a matter of faith?

Was there intent to defraud or make a joke? I think to demonstrate a crime you would have to show intent to defraud. I'm not sure you have established that.

 

[RandFan]

This is desperate, especially for you.

You are not at all being fair to me. I've stated over and over that any attempt to mislead is wrong. Let's not go backward here. I'm saying that you have yet to make a case. You want me to make assumptions about the intent of those who passed these out. I'm not laughing it off. I'm being serious here.

 

[Lonewulf]

Was there intent to defraud or make a joke? I think to demonstrate a crime you would have to show intent to defraud. I'm not sure you have established that.

So, and let me make this ABSOLUTELY CLEAR...

You are actually stating...

That a man can create a false document, using a logo of the united states government, pass it around, and then, if his INTENT is "as a joke", it is entirely written off as perfectly okay?

So, by that argument, I can do the same with money -- print green dollar bills, pass them around, and when I'm caught, claim it's a joke, and I'm scott free! You can't PROVE I didn't intend for it as a joke.

How do you judge intent in this case? Hire a psychic to peer into his mind?

You are not at all being fair to me. I've stated over and over that any attempt to mislead is wrong. Let's not go backward here. I'm saying that you have yet to make a case. You want me to make assumptions about the intent of those who passed these out. I'm not laughing it off. I'm being serious here.

You're right, I'm not being fair. It's not desperate, but it's pretty sad. I'm honestly very disappointed in you, Randfan. You compared a skit done on a show entirely centered around satire, and then proclaimed that it was comparable to passing around pamphlets outside of such a show bearing an official logo and with no hint of satire in the entire document.

I cannot fathom why you are doing this. Why are you suddenly disconnecting yourself from reason here?

 

[gdnp]

Look, this is an honest question.

Do we know that anyone actually distributed these fliers? Any credible report?

 

[WildCat]

Sorry, but I am a register voter and I'm not confused. It is an attempt to commit vote fraud.
See the Voter intimidation and deceptive practices act previously referenced.

It's an old joke, in fact the exact same one was circulated earlier except it said Republicans were to vote on Nov. 5. There was even a thread on it here or at TOP IIRC.

 

[RandFan]

Agreed. I think the leaflets claiming that if you have unpaid parking tickets you will be arrested if you show up to vote, distributed in heavily Democratic neighborhoods, is a far more serious threat to voting rights.

Now that I agree with. That strikes me as malicious. It doesn't have any plausible explanation of a joke.

 

[Jeff Corey]

So it is impossible that it is anything but fraud? Are we suppose to accept that is an attempt to commit fraud simply because you assert that it is?

Of course it's not impossible. And we are not "suppose" to accept anything I state. But it is
against the law cited posts ago. It is clear that attempts to dissuade voters from voting is a crime. Now you might think that it is a mere joke. So are other jokes criminal.

 

[RandFan]

It's an old joke, in fact the exact same one was circulated earlier except it said Republicans were to vote on Nov. 5. There was even a thread on it here or at TOP IIRC.

Ooooops.



Now what?

 

[Lonewulf]

Here's a comment:

It is perfectly possible to play a prank and still commit a crime.

 

[RandFan]

Of course it's not impossible. And we are not "suppose" to accept anything I state. But it is
against the law cited posts ago. It is clear that attempts to dissuade voters from voting is a crime. Now you might think that it is a mere joke. So are other jokes criminal.

Is it an attempt to dissuade voters? Is the above video a crime?

• You've not made a case that it was an attempt.
• You've not made a case that it succeeded at dissuading anyone not to vote.

 

[RandFan]

Here's a comment:

It is perfectly possible to play a prank and still commit a crime.

Intent is an important component. Can you demonstrate intent? BTW: Did you see the above video?

 

[Lonewulf]

Ooooops.



Now what?

I don't consider it any more justifiable, nor do I consider this Tu Quoque fallacy to be anything more than a diversion.

Yes, someone made a video online involving it. However, it certainly seemed more satire ("Praise Jesus!") than making a pamphlet with the logo of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Let me repeat again.

IT BORE TWO LOGOS INVOLVING DEPARTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT OF VIRGINIA.


Dear lord, why do people overlook this simple fact?

Intent is an important component. Can you demonstrate intent? BTW: Did you see the above video?

Sigh...

You actually think that the video changes something, doesn't it?

Why?