Democrats = Antifa = BS

theprestige said:
Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism​
Antifa uses violence to intimidate and suppress political dissent.

I'm not sure how you can have a meaningful definition of terrorism that excludes Antifa.
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Well yeah, you just defined them as terrorists to show that they're terrorists. Very convincing.
 
If y'all want to say Antifa is to Democrats what Nazis are to Republicans, I'm good with that. You?

It's not true, as Antifa is explicitly anti fascist and not supportive of any political party, while Nazis run on a GOP platform, but I'm still good with saying it if it'll shut you up.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Nazis have an end-goal.
Antifa wants to prevent that, not set up their own system.
So very different.
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Bullcrap. Plenty of Antifa want to set up their own system
Problem with Antifa it is a loose coalition, some of who are pretty militant Neo Marxist who want a system as authoritarian and dictorial as anything the Nazis want.
Antifa also has an anarchist wing, which seems to be into destruction of property as some kind of inherenty revolutionary act.
ANd there are sincere Anti Fascist . It's a mixed bag.
I despise Nazis to no end, but lot's not have any illusions about ANtifa. Yeah, there are anti fascist, but some of them are peddling something which is no better then fascism.
I am really worried about the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attiude I am seeing here. That is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in today.
 
uke2se said:
If y'all want to say Antifa is to Democrats what Nazis are to Republicans, I'm good with that. You?

It's not true, as Antifa is explicitly anti fascist and not supportive of any political party, while Nazis run on a GOP platform, but I'm still good with saying it if it'll shut you up.
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SOme is seeing Antifa though rose colored glasses, I see...
 
uke2se said:
If y'all want to say Antifa is to Democrats what Nazis are to Republicans, I'm good with that. You?
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Where are explicitly antifa democrats running for major offices who won nominations? There are rather a number of explicitly nazi republicans after all. Unless saying hitler was right about the jews is not a nazi statement or some such.
 
varwoche said:
I'm not one to quibble over semantics nor am I an Antifa expert, so I won't argue against. I would add "fringe" to the 5 word or less description.

But they sure as hell ain't Democrats. Antifa isn't supported by the Democratic power structure, and Antifa doesn't support the Democratic power structure. They are fringe outliers. Agreed?
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Pretty much agreed. You have a fringe element in the Democratic party who flirts with Antifa....particulary in the SF Bay Area..but most desm think Antifa's antics if anything hurt them.
 
Belz... said:
If you say "I'm anti-stupid" and I think, absent further information, that you mean "Anti-Belz...", then I probably think I'm stupid.

So why would conservatives assume anti-fascism means anti-them?
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Probably because progressives keep calling them fascists.

If I say, "Belz is stupid" Then my friend(or even a later me) says that "I am anti-stupid" you might have good reason to think that I or they are anti belz as much as anit stupid no mater how not stupid you might be.
 
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So serious question.

What are the standards for who is part of what group? If they say they are? If the larger group says they are? Pointing at the dictionary and grunting?

Because it seems we spend a lot of time fighting over which sub-group which larger group has to justify/apologize for/account for/some other variation therefore.
 
ahhell said:
Probably because progressives keep calling them fascists.
If I say, "Belz is stupid" Then my friend(or even a later me) says that "I am anti-stupid" you might have good reason to think that I or they are anti belz as much as anit stupid no mater how not stupid you might be.
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Let me get this straight. You think Antifa is anti-conservative because some other people call conservatives fascists. Does that make sense to you?
 
I just try to see every person, organization, entity on its own terms.

Until every high school graduate can do that like they do basic algebra the future looks bleak.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
So serious question.

What are the standards for who is part of what group? If they say they are? If the larger group says they are? Pointing at the dictionary and grunting?

Because it seems we spend a lot of time fighting over which sub-group which larger group has to justify/apologize for/account for/some other variation therefore.
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I don't know but it's important for the mainstream groups that on each side of the aisle to loudly and frequently distance themselves from the worst members of their coalition. Both to marginalize the worst groups and avoid being tarred by the association.
 
ahhell said:
I don't know but it's important for the mainstream groups that on each side of the aisle to loudly and frequently distance themselves from the worst members of their coalition. Both to marginalize the worst groups and avoid being tarred by the association.
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That seems like that's the sort of thing that's really, really important to people who think "The Political Spectrum" is... like a real thing that exists in nature as some law of the universe and isn't just a handy shorthand we created for common, but not inherent, statistical clustering.

Barbers don't have to apologize for murderers who decapitate their victims and they still wouldn't if we created an arbitrary spectrum of people based on how much of a body they cut off.
 
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I just read up briefly on the Proud Boys.

The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate, and the fourth is getting into a major fight 'for the cause.'
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Whilst they sound just as violent and fascist as Anifa, they're a good deal funnier.
 
dudalb said:
Bullcrap. Plenty of Antifa want to set up their own system
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Possibly.

Not Antifa though.

dudalb said:
Problem with Antifa it is a loose coalition, some of who are pretty militant Neo Marxist who want a system as authoritarian and dictorial as anything the Nazis want.
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I'd like for you to provide evidence for this.

dudalb said:
Antifa also has an anarchist wing, which seems to be into destruction of property as some kind of inherenty revolutionary act.
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No, Antifa doesn't have an anarchist wing. Antifa doesn't have wings.

dudalb said:
ANd there are sincere Anti Fascist . It's a mixed bag.
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All of them are sincere anti-fascists.

dudalb said:
I despise Nazis to no end, but lot's not have any illusions about ANtifa. Yeah, there are anti fascist, but some of them are peddling something which is no better then fascism.
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Who?

dudalb said:
I am really worried about the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attiude I am seeing here. That is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in today.
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I get you. You don't want to have to fight for democracy, so you don't really want anyone else doing it either, as it reflects poorly on you.
 
JoeMorgue said:
So serious question.

What are the standards for who is part of what group? If they say they are? If the larger group says they are? Pointing at the dictionary and grunting?

Because it seems we spend a lot of time fighting over which sub-group which larger group has to justify/apologize for/account for/some other variation therefore.
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If you say you're Antifa and you're anti-fascist, you're Antifa.

You can't apply for a charter.
 
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