Democratic caucuses and primaries

dudalb said:
The company that wrote the software says it "regrets the glitches".
No S*** Sherlock.
You might as well start filling out the bankruptcy forms now....
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I think it's a not for profit.

Those can still go bankrupt, but somehow I doubt that they made a massive investment in up front costs. They probably don't have a lot of debt.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think it's a not for profit.

Those can still go bankrupt, but somehow I doubt that they made a massive investment in up front costs. They probably don't have a lot of debt.
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They don't need to have a lot of debt. A lawsuit to recover the purchase price of the software would probably sink them.
 
The_Animus said:
https://features.desmoinesregister.com/news/politics/iowa-caucuses-results-alignment/

Buttigieg
First Alignment: 23,666
Final Alignment: 27,030
Delegates: 363

Sanders
First Alignment: 27,088
Final Alignment: 28,220
Delegates: 338

You gotta love our voting systems in the US.
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This site still has only 62% of results and what you have (rounded) as delegates they have as "SDE", whatever that is, with three digits behind the decimal point.

edit: Iowa certainly doesn't have 701 delegates, does it?
 
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dudalb said:
The company that wrote the software says it "regrets the glitches".
No S*** Sherlock.
You might as well start filling out the bankruptcy forms now....
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Nevada, which was planning to use the same system, has already publicly stated they are abandoning it.
 
Low turnout, that is a bad sign for the Democrats, whoever gets up.

Trump can run a targeted campaign in the swing states to get his special interest groups out to vote. If the Democrats can't match that then Trump is easily heading for a second term.

There is a high expectation that Ginsburg will retire from the Supreme Court and the Evangelicals and other conservative Christians will want to make sure of that vacancy being filled by a conservative judge, whatever they think of Trump.
 
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The_Animus said:
https://features.desmoinesregister.com/news/politics/iowa-caucuses-results-alignment/

Buttigieg
First Alignment: 23,666
Final Alignment: 27,030
Delegates: 363

Sanders
First Alignment: 27,088
Final Alignment: 28,220
Delegates: 338

You gotta love our voting systems in the US.
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It's not our voting system. It's the voting system of Iowa Democrats, for indicating their preference. And apparently they do love it. Why so judgy? It's not like they're forcing your state party to do it their way.
 
Biden was lucky to get out of Iowa with a fourth; Klobuchar did have a strong finish. Mayor Pete may eke out a victory in delegates despite losing on the final alignment (so far), but the bookies are not impressed. His odds of winning the nomination are currently at 5.1%.

You can see at the Des Moines Register site the effect of the final alignment. The top three (Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren) all increased their vote totals, while the rest lost voters. Apparently only 3,741 out of the so far 111 thousand left the caucus when their first choice was declared not viable. Buttigieg did the best in picking up voters on the final alignment; he gained 3200 voters so far, compared to 1000 for Bernie and 1300 for Warren.
 
Meadmaker said:
Oops. Forgot about lawsuits. This is America after all. Yeah, bankruptcy.
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You are against lawsuits?
I agree there are lots of frivolous lawsuits;but the way to handle them is to have them thrown out of court at a early stage. Taking away the right to sue for damages is just plain wrong.
And I think for the Iowa Democrats to sue for damages here is 100 percent justified. If there was even a case of a product not performing and hurting it's user it's this one.
 
That is another thing I don't like about the caucus system:even without the software fiasco it is so damn confusing.
 
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Venom said:
State delegate equivalent.

It's the number awarded for the national convention.
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No, it's not.

There are only 41 of those.

See post 110 for a relatively brief & hopefully accurate synopsis of this bizarre six-step process.
 
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I kind of like the way the reveal turned out, actually. They had a short press conference to apologize for the "glitch", then posted the Caucus stats. That's it! No micro-monitoring of practically each single vote from each single district and the accompanying speculation. (I'm still wondering how they filled all that time with ZERO stats since last night...)

Of course, it's been several hours now and we're still left with the one stat board. It's only a matter of time before mediaheads start discussing the font used in order to get some different angle on it.
 
theprestige said:
It's not our voting system. It's the voting system of Iowa Democrats, for indicating their preference. And apparently they do love it. Why so judgy? It's not like they're forcing your state party to do it their way.
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It's also the voting system of Iowa Republicans.
 
Ziggurat said:
They don't need to have a lot of debt. A lawsuit to recover the purchase price of the software would probably sink them.
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Was the problem the software itself or users who were unfamiliar with it trying to use it for the first time on election night?

I heard that some people were having trouble downloading the software, which made me think WTF. Why wasn't it downloaded and installed sooner? Why hadn't the users already logged in and tested its functionality before election night? Also there was no training on how to use it.

Anyone who's ever used new software knows that there's usually a learning curve. It's not just the software itself you have to test; the users need to practice using it before they need to use it for real.

Puppycow said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...politics/what-happened-iowa-caucuses.amp.html

Read it and weep.
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DES MOINES — Sean Bagniewski had seen the problems coming.

It wasn’t so much that the new app that the Iowa Democratic Party had planned to use to report its caucus results didn’t work. It was that people were struggling to even log in or download it in the first place. After all, there had never been any app-specific training for the many precinct chairs.

So last Thursday Mr. Bagniewski, the chairman of the Democratic Party in Iowa’s most populous county, Polk, instructed his precinct chairs to simply call in the caucus results as they had always done. But during Monday night’s caucuses, those precinct chairs could not connect with party leaders via phone. Hold times stretched past 90 minutes. And when Mr. Bagniewski had his executive director to take pictures of the results with her smartphone and drive over to the Iowa Democratic Party headquarters to deliver them in person she was turned away without explanation.

“I don’t even know if they know what they don’t know,” Mr. Bagniewski said of the state party shortly before 2 a.m. on Tuesday.

Inside the party’s boiler room, the warning signs flashed almost as soon as results came in from the new app — as early as 8:15 p.m. The error rate was high, even as raw data seemed fine. Somehow it was mangled in the process of transmitting it for display. No one could figure out why.
And so, for nearly 22 hours after the Iowa caucuses had begun — with much fanfare, live cable coverage and deep consequences for the Democratic Party and the country — the state party remained silent.

This surreal opening act for the voting portion of the 2020 primary season included unexplained “inconsistencies” in results that were not released to the public until late Tuesday afternoon, heated conference calls where state party officials hung up on campaign staff members and a state of suspended animation in the immediate aftermath of the first presidential nominating contest.

“A systemwide disaster,” said Derek Eadon, a former Iowa Democratic Party chairman.
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OK, so there may have been problems with the app itself too.

Usually I think software makers protect themselves from liability for flaws in their software with user license agreements that say the software is offered "as is" and isn't guaranteed to do anything in particular.
 
Childlike Empress said:
This site still has only 62% of results and what you have (rounded) as delegates they have as "SDE", whatever that is, with three digits behind the decimal point.

edit: Iowa certainly doesn't have 701 delegates, does it?
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By some kind of funny math process, the actual number of voters doesn't count. They are converted into SDEs (state delegate equivalents) and then by another math process the SDEs are converted into national delegates (only 41 for Iowa). The state delegates are delegates to the state convention, and from there it it whittled down to 41 national delegates to be sent to the national convention.

Right now, according to Google if you Google "iowa results" it says 10 national delegates for Buttigieg, 10 for Sanders, 4 for Warren, and zero for all the others, but they aren't done counting so that's probably why that only adds up to 24.
 
theprestige said:
It's not our voting system. It's the voting system of Iowa Democrats, for indicating their preference. And apparently they do love it. Why so judgy? It's not like they're forcing your state party to do it their way.
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Stacyhs said:
It's also the voting system of Iowa Republicans.
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theprestige said:
It is?!?!?!

Holy **** !!!

Now I totally hate it and/or love it, depending on how you need me to react, in order to satisfy whatever need prompted you to post this inanity.

I hope this helps. Have a nice day!
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Despite your totally ridiculous over the top and childish retort, you did imply that only the Dems use the caucus in Iowa when you said "It's not our voting system. It's the voting system of Iowa Democrats, for indicating their preference."

Why you had such a juvenile response to my simply pointing out the fact that Iowa Republicans use it, too, I can only guess.
 
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