Democratic caucuses and primaries

538 is smart, with no number to report they are having fun describing the desperate attepmtso the network hosts and talking head to fill time.
 
dudalb said:
538 is smart, with no number to report they are having fun describing the desperate attepmtso the network hosts and talking head to fill time.
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It was a clever move for Klob to go ahead and give her stump speech in order to fill the time. I'm off to bed, will check back a.m.
 
dudalb said:
538 is smart, with no number to report they are having fun describing the desperate attepmtso the network hosts and talking head to fill time.
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They are my favorite of the night as well.

They are musing over the whole debacle in a therapeutic way.
 
CNN livestream showed Biden, then when he finished, cut to Warren. When Warren finished, the anchor mentioned party officials arranging a conference call and then a segue to roll Biden's speech a second time. I did a search right then for "Bernie Iowa live" and saw the Guardian cover what seemed like maybe the final 3rd of a speech.

Not saying...just saying...
 
Basically everyone gave their 1st place version of their speech. Buttigieg teased/annoyed many journalists teasing out pictures of inconclusive tallys from unknown stages of various sites for a while.

I think Yang had a fun "inside joke" moment with some reporters asking how he feels about his night by throwing his hands up and shouting "victory!"
 
Delphic Oracle said:
CNN livestream showed Biden, then when he finished, cut to Warren. When Warren finished, the anchor mentioned party officials arranging a conference call and then a segue to roll Biden's speech a second time. I did a search right then for "Bernie Iowa live" and saw the Guardian cover what seemed like maybe the final 3rd of a speech.

Not saying...just saying...
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CNN didn't broadcast Bernie so all the Bernie Bros will be shrieking about the conspiracy, but...

Bernie is a Sixties Radical who hasn't changed in 40 years
The Bernie Bros believe in the Lost Tribe theory of elections
They are just like Trump supporters. They live in their fantasy world. Also, Trump will win!
 
Good evening.
Nothing like giving the Trump campaign ammunition. This statement coming from them:

“Democrats are stewing in a caucus mess of their own creation with the sloppiest train wreck in history. It would be natural for people to doubt the fairness of the process. And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system? Tonight President Trump posted a record performance in the well-run GOP Iowa caucuses with record turnout for an incumbent.”

Of course Trump was the only Republican they could caucus for. Did he come in first or last?
 
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dudalb said:
Yeah, I would bet that either Iowa goes to a primary system, or they lose their opening spot in elections from now on.
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Part of the way they held onto the first in the nation status was by maintaining the caucus. New Hampshire actually created a law that they must have the first primary. In 2008 Florida and Michigan tried to jump the gun, and ended up having their delegation decertified (they were later recertified, but given only 1/2 vote apiece).
 
Maybe this massive screw-up will catalyze abandoning the Iowa caucus. The caucus method is at this point willfully regressive. The massive time commitment ensures reduced voter participation, and the process of literally counting and recounting heads means unreliable and slow reporting of results.

Iowa should go to a primary system, preferably a ranked choice primary system, or they should not be the first to vote state.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Maybe this massive screw-up will catalyze abandoning the Iowa caucus. The caucus method is at this point willfully regressive. The massive time commitment ensures reduced voter participation, and the process of literally counting and recounting heads means unreliable and slow reporting of results.

Iowa should go to a primary system, preferably a ranked choice primary system, or they should not be the first to vote state.
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The need for RCV is limited by having proportional delegates.
 
So did the Democrats have the Benny Hill music playing live or do we need to add it in post?
 
JoeMorgue said:
So did the Democrats have the Benny Hill music playing live or do we need to add it in post?
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Let's not do the hasty generalizationWP thing just yet.

Iowa is just one (smallish, oldish, rather whitish) state.

The vast majority of Democrats live and organize elsewhere.
 
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d4m10n said:
Let's not do the hasty generalizationWP thing just yet.

Iowa is just one (smallish, oldish, rather whitish) state.

The vast majority of Democrats live and organize elsewhere.
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Really? Because it sure wasn't like that yesterday in the buildup to Iowa.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Because it sure wasn't like that yesterday in the buildup to Iowa.
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I'm not entirely clear which media narrative you're selling here.

Iowa counts for a handful of delegates and (at best) a media/polls bounce going into NH and the larger primaries.
 
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