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SteveGrenard said:
They hit A BUILDING in a village that was near a rocket emplacement. I agree they need to pin point their targets better but it was still close to the village and to the building hit.
Hezbollah is to blame. Finish reading the Israeli side of the account in the CNN article.
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The Israelis have just agreed to a 48 hour halt on airstrikes, in order to investigate the killings of 60 civilians, 37 of them children.

What nothing else could achieve, this did.

In the light of recent developments, do you still maintain that these attacks were justified? Are you really that callous?

The deaths of 37 children mean nothing to you?
 
I didn't realize Claus you were pro-Hezbollah since the fact that Hezbollah used these unfortunate innocents as human shields doesn't seem to concern you:

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Israeli said it targeted Qana because it was a base for hundreds of rockets launched at Israeli, including 40 that injured five Israelis on Sunday. Israel said it had warned civilians several days before to leave the village.
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"One must understand the Hezbollah is using their own civilian population as human shields," said Israeli Foreign Ministry official Gideon Meir. "The Israeli defence forces dropped leaflets and warned the civilian population to leave the place because the Hezbollah turned it into a war zone."
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http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=33a4a1a7-35b4-48ed-9c4a-9786ffc0dd14&k=52830

What this really has done is set back the peace process ...not because of what Israel has done but because of what both sides have done. If psyops weaponry were used this wouldn't have happened.

This has given Hezbollah and their Lebanese puppet PM who replaced the assasinated Hariri the perfect excuse to tell Rice to pack it in as she is not welcome in Lebanon to negotiate a cease fire so she is coming home. Hezbollah couldn't be happier while feigning rage.
 
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Hamas Leader Khaled Meshaal called for more resistance against Israel in response to Sunday's attack on the Lebanese village. "The only response to this ugly massacre is an acceleration of the resistance in Lebanon and Palestine," Mr. Meshaal told Reuters.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0731/p01s04-wome.html

So while Israel grants a cease fire because of the tragedy militant muslim terrorists call for the ratcheting up of hostilities.
 
CFLarsen said:
If it were acceptable, there would not be rescue missions of people caught in Libanon.
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I say it is regretable that is enough motivation to try to get people out (as realisticly possible). But not enough motivation to stop fighting.

And what constitutes the former?
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The same can be said about other criminals: They teach each other to become better criminals.

Are you suggesting that we should get rid of prisons and just start executing all criminals?
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Did I just execute every terrorist in the previous scenario.... no I didn't.
 
Reports filtering in is that the dead in this incident were from just two large families hunkered down in one building. The rest of the village was evacuated in response to Israel's leaflet & broadcasting campaign to get out because they were going to attack Hezbollah positions in the town.

The father of one of the families who miraculously survived the bombing has called for his dead children to become martyrs and to ratchet up the attack on the Israeli invaders as well. He claims his family and those of the other family didn't get out because the roads were blocked.

Speculating about this one would have to wonder how others got out but he and his family did not. I am so glad the patriarch is alive and well and ranting so we can learn more from him although he has the world's condolences if he wants them.

This Claus is why the Israel is calling for an investigation. The incident which had horrific consequences for the dead not only caused Israel to stop hitting Hezbollah positions, it got Condie Rice declared unwelcome in Beirut and has caused Hamas in the Gaza and Hezbollah sympathizers on the Lebanon/Israeli border to called for a redoubling of their efforts to attack Israel.

As the investigation proceeds in the day or two ahead we will know the truth.

For now the reality is:

1. Israel warned the civilian populace to move out of harms way

2. Hezbollah had situated an operating kayusha rocket launching emplacement in this village which it uses to attack Israel.

3. Although warned, two families did not evacuate and stayed in town resulting in the deaths.

I wonder how many brave Hezbollah fighters also were killed? Probably none as the cowards hid out of harms way.
 
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On CBS News' Face the Nation, Siniora, sidestepped the issue of whether Rice was disinvited. When Bob Schieffer asked him about it he said: "Well, what I've said to Secretary Rice, that we have been all the past days working and trying to find out a way to really bring nimmediate cease-fire.

Siniora is viewed by many as a moderate voice in Lebanese politics. Which is what made something he said at another point in the interview especially chilling.

Schieffer asked Siniora about reports that Hezbollah had threatened to avenge the Qana incident. The Lebanese prime minister said rather matter of factly: "Look, Bob, you know that blood calls for blood."
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http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/07/israeli_attack_.html
 
SteveGrenard said:
I didn't realize Claus you were pro-Hezbollah since the fact that Hezbollah used these unfortunate innocents as human shields doesn't seem to concern you:
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I'm not pro-Hezbollah, Steve. And I am very concerned about the use of human shields.

SteveGrenard said:
What this really has done is set back the peace process ...not because of what Israel has done but because of what both sides have done. If psyops weaponry were used this wouldn't have happened.
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Then contact the press, Steve, with your end-all solution. Save the children.

SteveGrenard said:
Reports filtering in is that the dead in this incident were from just two large families hunkered down in one building. The rest of the village was evacuated in response to Israel's leaflet & broadcasting campaign to get out because they were going to attack Hezbollah positions in the town.

The father of one of the families who miraculously survived the bombing has called for his dead children to become martyrs and to ratchet up the attack on the Israeli invaders as well. He claims his family and those of the other family didn't get out because the roads were blocked.

Speculating about this one would have to wonder how others got out but he and his family did not. I am so glad the patriarch is alive and well and ranting so we can learn more from him although he has the world's condolences if he wants them.
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What a callous statement. His children are dead, together with many others. And you immediately point your finger at this man.

SteveGrenard said:
2. Hezbollah had situated an operating kayusha rocket launching emplacement in this village which it uses to attack Israel.
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How do you know that the rockets were in the village?

SteveGrenard said:
3. Although warned, two families did not evacuate and stayed in town resulting in the deaths.
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They couldn't get out, Steve.

SteveGrenard said:
I wonder how many brave Hezbollah fighters also were killed? Probably none as the cowards hid out of harms way.
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I wonder how long you will defend the Israelis, even though they have just killed scores of children.

AWPrime said:
Does the use of human shields by Hezbollah do nothing to you?
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Of course. That doesn't make me ignore what the Israelis did.
 
Larsen:
What a callous statement. His children are dead, together with many others. And you immediately point your finger at this man.
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You forget that I know what its like to be a non-muslim who lost a child. I am sorry but these muslim parents who rationalize their losses by calling for martydom for their dead children pisses me off. It pisses me off when these parents send their children out with a bomb strapped around them or allow them to be used as shields for terrorists under attack such as Hezbollah or Hamas.

It remains to be seen if these families were kept in a building possibly laden with explosives deliberately or not. It concerns me that other villagers evacuated but these families did not. I appreciate the logistics of moving such a large group but I understand this was part of the UN's job in the region .... to evacuate families in areas being targeted by israel since Israel gives advance notice in writing. Yes I brought up the fact that a claim was made the road was blocked. I can see how Israel would want to prevent entry into the village after it was evacuated by bombing the roads. Sadly for these families it may've prevented them from leaving.
 
SteveGrenard said:
Larsen:

You forget that I know what its like to be a non-muslim who lost a child. I am sorry but these muslim parents who rationalize their losses by calling for martydom for their dead children pisses me off. It pisses me off when these parents send their children out with a bomb strapped around them or allow them to be used as shields for terrorists under attack such as Hezbollah or Hamas.
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This father did not send his child out with a bomb strapped around them. He did not allow his child to be used as shields for terrorists.

Sheesh, Steve. Is your hatred of Muslims really that big that you can't distinguish between vastly different situations? No wonder you claim that they exhibit "lemming"-like behavior. You have to, in order to accuse any Muslim of any wrongdoing possible.

SteveGrenard said:
It remains to be seen if these families were kept in a building possibly laden with explosives deliberately or not.
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Do you have any reason to believe this??

SteveGrenard said:
It concerns me that other villagers evacuated but these families did not.
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They couldn't escape, Steve.

SteveGrenard said:
I appreciate the logistics of moving such a large group but I understand this was part of the UN's job in the region .... to evacuate families in areas being targeted by israel since Israel gives advance notice in writing. Yes I brought up the fact that a claim was made the road was blocked. I can see how Israel would want to prevent entry into the village after it was evacuated by bombing the roads. Sadly for these families it may've prevented them from leaving.
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Then stop putting the blame on them.

Why don't you contact the press with your end-all solution and save the children?

How do you know that the rockets were in the village?
 
Larsen:
This father did not send his child out with a bomb strapped around them. He did not allow his child to be used as shields for terrorists.
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I am sorry but as soon as he called for martydom for his dead children I saw sparks. He followed this by asking for more bloodshed to avenge his loss. The fact is muslim extremists send their children out to die as suicide bombers, get paid a bounty for it and are assauged by the "certain" knowledge their children will ascend to paradise. In this case we don't know if the father allowed or was forced into allowing his family to be used as human shields for Hezbollah; given the turn of events they certainly ended up that way.

If they were forced to lie low in a the three story building that was allegedly bombed and there were explosives stored there by Hezbollah is something I don't know. You would have to follow the discussion of this aspect or keep monitoring news reports for updates on the other thread(s?) dealing with this tragedy.

You are being disingenuous by asking if there were any rockets present. The devices to shoot them were present and you know they could be brought into play at any time. This is like saying there is a gun and no bullets so Israel shouldn't destroy the gun. How inane. At any time, given the presence of the gun, bullets can be obtained. In this case the bullets are rocket artillery.

I am skeptical of the reasons given why these families did not evacuate the village when other families were able to do so.

Forensic analysis of the site will weigh heavily on who is most at fault in this tragedy.
 
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