arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
When your default for "merit" is "white cishet male", and anyone else is a "DEI Hire", yeah it's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ racist. Also sexist and homophobic.
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Trausti
Illuminator
My default on merit is not "white cishet male." My default on merit is merit. Everyone is an individual. A person's race, alone, tells you nothing about their competence. If DEI has taught you otherwise, then you've been lied to.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
You've been lied to. The far-right bubble has convinced you that "DEI" does not mean that. The far-right's definition of DEI sets the default standard for merit as a cishet white male, so that every time someone advocates for DEI and actual merit, they can say "Oh, that's just a DEI Hire" and give the job to a white man.
The current administration and far-right bubble doesn't give a ◊◊◊◊ about merit. If you do, as you claim, give a ◊◊◊◊ about merit, then you should come out of the bubble, stop listening to Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, and Candace Owens, and start shifting your Overton Window back to somewhere near the centre where it belongs.
Trausti
Illuminator
It's amazing how you feel non-White people are simply incapable of meeting basic standards. You're just propagating the soft bigotry of low expectations.
I don't listen to any of them. Well, Musk does come up on my X feed. But this clearly shows that you have no understanding of why people disagree with you. You're all about emotion.
W.D.Clinger
Philosopher
I, for one, appreciate @Trausti's regular reminders that many White people are also simply incapable of meeting basic standards.
As for whether those reminders propagate soft bigotry or hard, I'll have to give that some more thought.
Trausti
Illuminator
Yes. Many White people are incapable of meeting basic standards.
Unless you were born yesterday, it's not bigotry to acknowledge that some people - regardless of race - cannot meet basis standards (for whatever the topic). It is bigotry to imply that standards must be lowered for certain groups.
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W.D.Clinger
Philosopher
I'm no expert on the topic, but those basis standards look pretty tough.
Trausti
Illuminator
Touché.
wareyin
Penultimate Amazing
I can certainly see how Trausti's posts remind us that white people are incapable of meeting basic standards.
That said, I find it's not worth engaging with people who still can't grasp that DEI doesn't remove the merit based standards that companies use to hire people, despite it being explained to them in terms an elementary school student can grasp. Whether they are incapable of understanding the basics, or are sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you, or completely understand but are choosing to be ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on the internet because it's fun, no productive discussion will be had.
Trausti
Illuminator
It may not in all instances, but it certainly prioritizes candidates by factors other than merit. Really, wareyin, if not for identity-based preference, why do you have DEI at all?
wareyin
Penultimate Amazing
Which part of "DEI does not remove the merit based standards that already exist in the hiring process" is tripping you up?
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
I don't think that. The white supremacist right-wing infobubble is trying to convince YOU that this is what DEI means. THEY'RE LYING TO YOU. And you just roll over and accept it like a good dog.
Jesus Christ, I've never seen such a complete lack of self-awareness in my life.
It's an emotional subject! I'm not ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Spock. I care about what happens to people. I care about how far you have fallen into the far-right trap. I'm trying to help you. The far right is dangerous and doesn't care about you. It will use you to spread its propaganda and like a leopard, turn on you and eat your face.
Funny, when you repeat their talking points almost word-for-word.
You can't even see what you're saying. You are literally describing DEI. This is what DEI means. The rightist infobubble is what would have you believe otherwise.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
Trausti
Illuminator
So DEI does imply that some people are unable to meet basic standards? Why would we want to lower the bar for people who can't meet basic standards? That's just mad.
Trausti
Illuminator
Costco is in a unique position. It's king of the hill in the warehouse business. It can do these virtue signaling things because it's already a billion dollar company that's cornered the market. The same with the tech companies that said the same thing when there was lots of money to pay the tithe. But when those companies were forced to look at the bottom line, those diversity initiatives were gone.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
"Basic standards" (whatever it is you mean by that phrase) is irrelevant to DEI. What matters is qualification. Is a person qualified for the job? If they are, then sexual preference or colour of skin or religion or whatever are irrelevant and should not be considered.
wareyin
Penultimate Amazing
Exactly. The claim that DEI lowers or removes standards is a transparently false narrative that has been thoroughly debunked in this thread. When people ignore the experience of hiring professionals, the written guidelines, and the actual qualifications of those hired, they are no longer engaging in a serious discussion. There is no reason to respect a persistent refusal to acknowledge the facts.
Trausti
Illuminator
Yeah, that's not surprising at all.
We already that before DEI, i.e., equal opportunity. What is DEI adding that we actually need?
Trausti
Illuminator
No, it isn't. If standards actually mattered, then a person's sex or race would be completely irrelevant. But DEI makes it the most relevant thing.