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doronshadmi said:
Yes, and it is not a set becuse a set is an exiting thing (abstract or not).

According to ZF "all members of {} are sets" (Or by jsfisher's words: "Every member of {} is a set, without exception" ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6713481&postcount=13621 )) .

In other words, ZF does not follow its own determination.
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All members of {} are <insert anything here>. That's all there is to it. It's vacuous truth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth

ETA: That's not ZF by the way, it's actually even more basic than ZF. It's logic.
 
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HatRack said:
All members of {} are <insert anything here>. That's all there is to it. It's vacuous truth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth

ETA: That's not ZF by the way, it's actually even more basic than ZF. It's logic.
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I know HatRack, your Logic, which deals only with existent things ( for example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6717098&postcount=13724 and http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6717681&postcount=13748 ) can't get this:

All members of {} are <>, where <> means exactly that one can't <insert anything here> .
 
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laca said:
Yes, it's like when he couldn't get the axiom of the empty set and its two equivalent forms.
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There's not a lot he can get. Has Doron ever gotten anything about mathematics or logic right is the question.
 
doronshadmi said:
I know HatRack, your Logic, which deals only with existent things ( for example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6717098&postcount=13724 and http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6717681&postcount=13748 ) can't get this:

All members of {} are <>, where <> means exactly that one can't <insert anything here> .
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Or maybe you just can't get logic. See below:

( Mathematics ( Logic ( Doron Shadmi ) Logic ) Mathematics )

Doron Shadmi, unfortunately, cannot see outside the walls of his :boxedin:. Hence, he cannot understand logic, and he certainly cannot get <insert anything here> about mathematics.
 
HatRack said:
Or maybe you just can't get logic. See below:

( Mathematics ( Logic ( Doron Shadmi ) Logic ) Mathematics )

Doron Shadmi, unfortunately, cannot see outside the walls of his :boxedin:. Hence, he cannot understand logic, and he certainly cannot get <insert anything here> about mathematics.
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On the contrary, your noisy mind can't get the simplest state of awareness.

When your mind is directly aware of the simplest state of awareness it is done without any thoughts about it.

Only then you are able to get the total state of awareness, which is actually the simplest state of your mind, where thoughts are born from and expressed as senses, notions, emotions, intuition, analysis, logic or any other mental activity that can be further expressed by thoughts, words, notations, actions, reactions, which are found in every aspect of our daily life.
 
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The Man said:
No.
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So your claim that I "still thinking during such meditations" has no basis.


Furthermore, for you

transcending.jpg


is just a picture.
 
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Well, we certainly have wondered way, way off topic, haven't we? Where were we?

Oh, yeah, Doron was telling us about his basic axioms for Doronetics. There were questions about the meaning of some terms, and there where questions of consistency, and there were questions of whether some were even axioms.

Can we return to that topic, please?
 
doronshadmi said:
So your claim that I "still thinking during such meditations" has no basis.
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No Doron it is based on your own specific assertions of what you have thought during such meditations. It is your continued assertions that such thoughts are not yours or represent some "direct perception", as you put it, that has no basis. Even if I did practice or do practice Transcendental Meditation it still wouldn’t change the fact that you are doing it wrong and just trying to pawn off your own thoughts during such meditations onto someone or something other then juts you.



doronshadmi said:
Furthermore, for you

[qimg]http://www.tm-ireland.org/images/transcending.jpg[/qimg]

is just a picture.
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No it is a picture (of a guy with his eyes shut) with some graphics and text.
 
jsfisher said:
Well, we certainly have wondered way, way off topic, haven't we?
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Actually not, the central issue here, as with all the other Doron threads, has always been what Doron has taken as some “direct perception” during some TDM experience he has had. This OM nonsense is just ancillary to that perception of his own thoughts not actually being just his.
 
The Man said:
No Doron it is based on your own specific assertions of what you have thought during such meditations. It is your continued assertions that such thoughts are not yours or represent some "direct perception", as you put it, that has no basis. Even if I did practice or do practice Transcendental Meditation it still wouldn’t change the fact that you are doing it wrong and just trying to pawn off your own thoughts during such meditations onto someone or something other then juts you.
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The Man the highlighted part is your best about this subject.
 
The Man said:
Actually not, the central issue here, as with all the other Doron threads, has always been what Doron has taken as some “direct perception” during some TDM experience he has had. This OM nonsense is just ancillary to that perception of his own thoughts not actually being just his.
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The non central issue here is the noise that persons like you produce by replies like:

The Man said:
No Doron it is based on your own specific assertions of what you have thought during such meditations. It is your continued assertions that such thoughts are not yours or represent some "direct perception", as you put it, that has no basis. Even if I did practice or do practice Transcendental Meditation it still wouldn’t change the fact that you are doing it wrong and just trying to pawn off your own thoughts during such meditations onto someone or something other then juts you.
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Say no more.
 
The Man said:
Actually not, the central issue here, as with all the other Doron threads, has always been what Doron has taken as some “direct perception” during some TDM experience he has had. This OM nonsense is just ancillary to that perception of his own thoughts not actually being just his.
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Perhaps I missed something, but what does the highlighted acronym stand for?
 
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