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In fact, I did... in fact, I am even 'certified' (well, it was one way to get a house quick...and that was in the 'Sidha Village').

In fact, my 'guru' was mentored by the now dead 'Guru Dev'. The dude that started it.

But... the best I can say about these people is that they are friendly hippies that need an excuse for making scandalous amounts of money whilst still being a hippy...

Never met one of them (not even at Veda University in Iowa, Fairfield) that was any good at anything to do with science.

Btw. I have a book called 'Vedic Mathematics', which is actually nothing to do with 'new' maths, but rather putting algorithms in sutra's (verses) so you can easily remember and execute them. But that is besides the point.

realpaladin, different persons have different abilities to be at the simplest state of awareness, and by your description, you were unable to be at the simplest state of awareness.

Furthermore, this inability air its view by your relative-only understanding of Emptiness or Fullness, which is closed under the relativity of collections:

Wrong.

Emptiness means there is a container that can be empty and the place where it could have been filled contains nothing.

It says nothing about existence; the filling might exist somewhere else, or in a different state.

(I am filling an empty coffee mug right now!)
 
realpaladin, different persons have different abilities to be at the simplest state of awareness, and by your description, you were unable to be at the simplest state of awareness.

Furthermore, this inability air its view by your relative-only understanding of Emptiness or Fullness, which is closed under the relativity of collections:

Hey, Doron, here's the deal. Most people don't care how you arrive at a result, meditation, pooping it out, peeing it out, whatever, as long as you do arrive at a result. Where's your result, Doron, huh? Anything at all. Time to put up or shut up.
 
Transcendental Doronic Meditation (as he claims not to be affiliated with the TM organization).
The simplest state of awareness is not a property of any organization.

Furthermore, there are persons that enable to get the simplest state of awareness without TM practice, for example:

http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMMetaphysical/APersonalView/index.cfm

No it is a picture (of a guy with his eyes shut) with some graphics and text.
As I said,
transcending.jpg
is still a picture for you.

More about TM can be found in:

http://www.doctorsontm.com/tm-research/journals

http://www.tm-ireland.org/12.php

http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/DoesTMDoAnyHarm/index.cfm
 
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It is practical to be directly aware of the source of your thoughts that is not itself a thought.
You can expresses it as Thought AND ~Thought or T AND ~T. But the letters are sort of illogical so are these:

A AND ~A is not a contradiction by direct awareness' second level, which is characterized also by non-personal (non-local) awareness of the simplest state of awareness (You is that).

A AND ~A is not a contradiction by direct awareness' third level, which is characterized also by non-personal (non-local) awareness of the simplest state of awareness also about unaware things (All is that).

where 'A' stands for "Arbitrary." This option is much better "at the context":

I AND ~I

It's you, but at the same time it is not you.

Do you think that you are the only one? Take a look at this: RaPTuRe

That's not the usual syntax, but at the same time, the choice for the departure from the rule doesn't seem to be random -- the consonants are upper-case and the vowels are lower-case. There are 21 consonants and 5 vowels in English alphabet. So if there is Rapture coming up, when do you think it would take place as day/month? Couldn't that date be logically chosen?

f(RaPTuRe) = 21/5 or the 21st of May?

I guess it would, coz the alphabet is a set with consonants and wovels being the natural subsets, so every word/set has two natural subsets made of consonants and vowels. But the Bible was thought up in the Heavens and God's mind can work the mysterious ways. But it usually doesn't . . .

If you're disappointed in CNN, you can always turn to MSNBC…ooops, never mind, they're solemnly reporting on the end-of-the-world nonsense from the Harold Camping Cult. They're predicting the Rapture will come on 21 May.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/01/how_to_cover_doomsayers.php

Well, when God's mind thinks logically, the Rapture is surely coming.

-a--u-e

:confused:

What happened? Do you see it? The consonants are gone in the word "rapture" and only those 3 wovels are left! Why?

Well, I think His Irreverible Omniscience God the Lord, Ph.D., goes for another time data. 3=March and that's the month when He releases Rapture for real:
BioShock: Rapture is listed at Amazon for a release date of March 1 2011.
http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-national/bioshock-rapture-novel-finally-dated

See, the other you, Haldegard, likes to play G.O.D. or the General Operating Device (assigned to the earth). But sometimes you never know who is who. They all got a childish desire to manipulate. Actually they got not much of a choice: we don't notice that much on our own, but love to play advanced scientists.
 
How about starting the new year by sharing one of the results of using OM with us, Doron? Just one will do, but don't forget to show the full working, too.
 
How about starting the new year by sharing one of the results of using OM with us, Doron? Just one will do, but don't forget to show the full working, too.

I've seen the results of OM before (post #1 of this thread). They're not pretty...
 
Emptiness is the totality of non-existence.

Fullness is the totality of existence.
I'm afraid that this honor was taken by the empty set. It's non-existent in finite S, as the cardinality of S can't detect it, but it pops out in P(S). It looks that the empty set has been blessed by the omniscience that God occasionally rains on various subjects, thus making some systems to behave "the mysterious ways."

Matthew, Luke, John, Georg, Julius . . . just memorize the gospels.
 
It is practical to be directly aware of the source of your thoughts that is not itself a thought.

Well one’s brain is the source of one’s thoughts while “not itself a thought”. However that is a practical application of biology, physiology, anatomy and/or neurology not your “direct perception” or “OM”

Then you are able to establish theoretical and practical frameworks, which are tuned to precisely express the source of your thoughts without loosing your direct awareness of the source of your thoughts, also at the level of thoughts.

You must need more ‘tuning’ as you have failed not only to establish any “theoretical and practical frameworks” but continue to fail to even understand those already well established,


This finest ability to be directly aware of the simplest state of awareness, has a fundamental influence on any chosen framework, and in this thread the chosen framework is Logic and Mathematical Science.

A “framework” you have not only failed to “influence” but to simply understand as well.

By not loosing the direct awareness of its own simplest state, one is aware of both absolute and relative aspects of it, where the relative aspect is the expressed field of thoughts.

Field of dreams would be more accurate.

At the first level one gets the simplest state of awareness only at the personal level (I is that), such that the intellectual aspect (analysis or serial thinking) is fulfilled.

Well go back to “the first level” as that “intellectual aspect” is one of which you still remain demonstrably unfulfilled.


At the second level one gets the simplest state of awareness also at the non-personal level (You are that), such that the feeling aspect (Intuition or parallel thinking) is fulfilled.

Another level you fail at as you continually attempt to replace what others have said with your own “other words” and evidently lack any feeling about such unethical behavior.

At the the third level one gets the simplest state of awareness also at the non-personal level of also unaware things (All is that) such that the unity of both intellect and feeling ( (analysis or serial thinking) AND (Intuition or parallel thinking) ) are fulfilled.

“state of awareness” of “unaware things”? Well that one you might actually have a shot at as unaware seems to be your preferred “state”. So now your “parallel thinking” is just your “Intuition” or “feeling”, color me unsurprised.

Please pay attention that I use AND connective, which is currently understood only in terms to the first level.

Please pay attention that you use a lot of things that you don’t currently understand in any terms, even your own.


A AND ~A is a contradiction only by direct awareness' first level, which is characterized by personal (local) awareness of the simplest state of awareness (I is that).

No Doron, again it is specifically a contradiction only because it is statement that is always FALSE regardless of the truth value of “A”.

A AND ~A is not a contradiction by direct awareness' second level, which is characterized also by non-personal (non-local) awareness of the simplest state of awareness (You is that).

No Doron, again it is not a contradiction only if you are using “~A” to represent something other then the negation of “A” which is simply self-inconsistent.

A AND ~A is not a contradiction by direct awareness' third level, which is characterized also by non-personal (non-local) awareness of the simplest state of awareness also about unaware things (All is that).

No Doron, again it is not a contradiction only if you are using “~A” to represent something other then the negation of “A” which is simply self-inconsistent. Something you still simply remain unaware of.



Actually at the third level there is only Unity, which is beyond A;~A and logical connectives, which are first and second levels' concepts.

Furthermore, Unity is beyond any attempt to get it by Logic;Intuition or any distinction that is based A;~A and the intermediate states (serial or parallel) between A;~A.

Moreover, the use of concept like Unity can't capture that is naturally beyond any attempt to define it (it is naturally undefined and also "naturally undefined" can't capture it).

So your third level and your “concept like Unity” is just beyond you.

A lot of blathering on about your imaginary “levels” Doron but still no practical applications, so please get back to us when you actually have any practical applications.



Let us say it that way:

Emptiness is the totality of non-existence.

Fullness is the totality of existence.

Collection is a relative (serial and/or parallel) existence between these totalities.

Unity is beyond any definition, whether it is described totally or relatively.

Let us say “Doron, just answer the question asked”.

So now your “magnitude of existence” can have a negative value?


I hope that this post give some example of the gap of communication between you and me, about the Mathematical Science and the meaning of practical applications during our daily life.

Doron every one of your posts gives “some example of the gap of communication between you” and everyone else. Because you just make up nonesense and just confuse that with understanding then you just directly contradict your own nonesense.

IE:
“Unity is beyond any definition, whether it is described totally or relatively”.

That is just you claiming you don’t have any idea what your own concept of “Unity” represents in spite of your own attempts above to employ your indefinable “concept like Unity” to define your “third level” as the “the unity of both intellect and feeling”. The fact remains Doron that you just don’t like definitions or limits, least of all your own, which is why you still remain the staunchest opponent of just your own notions.
 
The simplest state of awareness is not a property of any organization.

Furthermore, there are persons that enable to get the simplest state of awareness without TM practice, for example:

http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMMetaphysical/APersonalView/index.cfm

So what, that doesn’t dispute the veracity of the statements you quoted above nor the requirement of thought for awareness.

However it does dispute the veracity of your finial assertion in this exchange…

The Man said:
Please answer only by "yes" or "No".

Did you practice Transcendental Meditation ( http://www.tm-ireland.org/1.php )?


No.

So your claim that I "still thinking during such meditations" has no basis.



As I said, [qimg]http://www.tm-ireland.org/images/transcending.jpg[/qimg] is still a picture for you.

As I said…

No it is a picture (of a guy with his eyes shut) with some graphics and text.

Try reading what you quote.


Thanks, but I am more than capable of finding information myself.
 
It is simply amazing to see how your limited reasoning can't get simple notions like Emptiness (which has no predecessor, and it is weaker than any existing thing, whether it is negative, positive, imaginary or whatever), Fullness (which has no successor, and it is stronger then any collection of existing things, whether they are negative, positive, imaginary or whatever) and Non-locality (which is an atomic cross-context, derived from the strength of Fullness, which gives it its non-local atomic property).
This is one of the hard problems where the acquired neural stereotypes don't give a bit of chance to solve without some clue.

Emptiness = ?(number)
Fullness =?(number)

The solution of Fullness clues the solution of Emptiness, even though it wouldn't follow that solution to the letter.

Fullness = 3

:confused:

This can't be really justified. On the contrary: Fullness has no successor and we know that after 3 comes 4. Well, not always. When 3 is defined as odd, the number is succeeded by 5, not 4. But either way, there is a natural successor to 3, so Fullness = 3 is false. Or is it?

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The world where folks live is real and not abstract and their heads get conditioned accordingly. When the context is people, then 3=3; if the context is male and female, 3=2+1 or some other option. If nothing is specified, 3=3 and a conclusion follows. That's why is hard to see the option where nothing comes after 3. But the option is readily available with a clue bellow.

1 = 1 (non-prime)
1 + 2 = 3 (prime)
1 + 2 + 3 = 6 (composite)
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10 (composite)
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 15 (composite)
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 21 (composite)

and so on.

The series of natural numbers shows that the first prime number in the partial sums is 3. Does this prime have a successor prime number? Since the sum of the sequence of naturals is

Sn = (n2 + n)/2

the question of the prime successor to 3 is

Conjecture: forall n>2: (n2 + n)/2 ≠ prime

So, Doron, if you prove the conjecture, then Fullness can be proven not to have a successor; if you don't, then you are not a mathematician but the Jolly Charlatan of Unusual Desire.

Where was the clue that Fullness might equal 3, or Fullness = 3?

Here and here as always.

Fullness = 3 :confused:
3 = Fullness ;)

(3 = F)ullness => "F is a collection of 3 connected straight lines."

There is also the normal, down-to-earth clue: We live in a 3-dimensional world where Fullness is the preferential choice:
http://www.cafecree.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/538433f4f151e7d3_bowl-of-soup.jpg
 
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Well one’s brain is the source of one’s thoughts while “not itself a thought”.
No. One's brain is a physical tool for mental activity, where both mental activity and its physical tool are born from the source of any expression, which is not itself an expression.

The rest of your post is the limited "If I do" reasoning.
 
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So what, that doesn’t dispute the veracity of the statements you quoted above nor the requirement of thought for awareness.

However it does dispute the veracity of your finial assertion in this exchange…
Try reading what you quote.
Try reading what you write, especially your "no" answer to your actual TM practice (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6721689&postcount=13769).

Your "If I do" reasoning is no more than "white noise" about this fine and actual subject.
 
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No. One's brain is a physical tool for mental activity, where both mental activity and its physical tool are born from the source of any expression, which is not itself an expression.
Well, something has to be accountable for your failure to factor a simple expression.
Conjecture:
forall n>2: (n2 + n)/2 ≠ prime

Proof:
(n2 + n)/2 = (n/2)*(n+1) where n > 2

Since primes can't have one of their factors larger than 1 when the other factor is the prime number itself, the conjecture is proven by the simplest mean in the realm of mathematics.

Does anyone feel like advancing the science of gynecology?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, . . .

How about you, Doron? You like math better? Okay. In that case keep advancing the science of mathematics.
 
Since the empty set has no members, this formula correctly expresses the fact that that there is no existing thing better than eternal happiness.
So what? still non-existence (no thing) can be considered as better than eternal happiness by the claim "Nothing is better than eternal happiness".
Dedekind's construction assumes the completeness of R or L Q sets, which is a false assumption, as shown by using the diagonal method along infinite collection of Q members ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6699280&postcount=13546 ).
jsfisher said:
Every member of {} is a set, without exception.
Wrong. All members of {} are <>, where <> means exactly that one can't <insert anything here> . Your so called "vacuous truth" does not hold water.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6712628&postcount=13616
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6712959&postcount=13620
You are unable to grasp generalization like http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6704754&postcount=13565
Your reasoning can't deal with non-existence, as used in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6664014&postcount=13310, as shown by http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6717119&postcount=13727.
 
Since primes can't have one of their factors larger than 1 when the other factor is the prime number itself, the conjecture is proven by the simplest mean in the realm of mathematics.

X = n>2

Any X/2 can't be a prime number , because a prime number can be divided only by 1 or by itself (A prime number (or a prime) is a natural number that has exactly two distinct natural number divisors: 1 and itself. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number )).
 
Wrong. All members of {} are <>, where <> means exactly that one can't <insert anything here> . Your so called "vacuous truth" does not hold water.

When you are ready to talk about Mathematics, do let us know. As for Doronetics, you have failed to show it being anything but fantastically useless, so it continues to not interest me.
 
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