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Have you considered starting a business making pretzels? You are extraordinary at twisting things. Then again, since your product would be unrecognizable, it may be best if you don't.

You are extraordinary at trivializing things in order to run to your fellows and claim that you defeated these things (like any common Straw Man, which is exactly what you are).

Have you considered starting a business making pretzels (don't you worry you will not find me as one of your customers)?

Still afraid to deal with http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4936250&postcount=5414 and http://www.scribd.com/doc/17504323/WZATRP8 , don't you jsfisher?
 
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Afraid? Hardly. You have been presented with several criticisms. You have ignored them.

I'll repeat one of them: Your claimed universal invariant, that Achilles position is always behind the tortoise's position, is bogus. You've made the same error Moshe made with his claims regarding his rather disappointing @-operator.
 
Afraid? Hardly. You have been presented with several criticisms. You have ignored them.

I'll repeat one of them: Your claimed universal invariant, that Achilles position is always behind the tortoise's position, is bogus. You've made the same error Moshe made with his claims regarding his rather disappointing @-operator.

Let us expose your Straw Man techniques, which their aims is to avoid detailed and direct arguments about the content of http://www.scribd.com/doc/17504323/WZATRP8 .

It goes like this:


X: "Tom solved the A\T Race Paradox by show that ((A wins T) OR (A does not win T)) is valid. As a result the ((A wins T) AND (A does not win T)) is not the only one possibility and the paradox is avoided. Furthermore Tom did it without using the Limit concept."

Y: "It can't be, because Tom does not know what Straw Man is"

X: "Do you mean that Tom uses a Straw Man at the basis of his solution, and therefore his solution does not hold?"

Y: "Yes"

X: "Can you show me in details how exactly Tom uses a Straw Man at the basis of his solution of A\T Race Paradox?"

Y: "I don't have to show you, it is a fact and that's it"

X: " Y, If you can't show it, you have nothing in your hand against ((A wins T) OR (A does not win T)) Tom's solution".

Y: "You are wrong. Furthermore, I showed that Tom does not understand the concept of Straw Man and as a result he uses it at the basis of his ((A wins T) OR (A does not win T)) solution. Moreover his inability to get Straw Man concept shows that he has no ability to solve the A\T Race Paradox without the need of Limits.

X: "Y, you did not show in details how Tom uses Straw Man at the basis of his solution. As long as you do not do that, you have exactly nothing to say about the validity of Tom's solution."

Y: "I don't have to show anything in details, you simply have to trust me".

X: "No Y, I can't agree with you as long as you do not have a detailed evidence against Tom's solution."

Y: "But I showed that Tom does not understand what Straw Man is"

X: "You know what Y? Let us say that Tom really does not understand what Straw Man is. But also in this case:

1) You have to show in details that Tom's solution fails because he uses Straw Man at the basis of his solution.

OR

2) You have to show that the ability of Tom to understand Straw Man is essential to the validity of his solution."

Until now you did not show (1) OR (2) .

What you did until know is this:

1) You did not provide any detailed evidence (which is clearly related to Tom's solution) that clearly supports your argument against Tom's solution. All you have is "trust me" argument, which is not acceptable.

2) You did not show how the inability of Tom to understand Straw Man has anything to do with the validity of Tom's solution.

As long as you don't support at least (2) there is no problem to exchange "Straw Man" by any arbitrary thing like:

"Tom did not solve A\T Race Paradox because he does not know how to play on a guitar"

"Tom did not solve A\T Race Paradox because he does not know how to sing"

"Tom did not solve A\T Race Paradox because he does not know how to dance"

Etc…

Y: "Tom's solution does not hold exactly as @-operator does not hold".

X: "Y, you continue to write not to the point, and until this very moment you have nothing in your hand (accept "trust me") against Tom's solution.

Furthermore Y. You are the one that uses Straw Man all along our discussion exactly because you try to weakness Tom's argument by irrelevant arguments against his solution, for example:

Tom: "The egg comes before the hen, since dinosaurs laid eggs before hens were around."

Jsfisher: "What? dinosaurs laid hen's eggs? This is rediculus !!"
 
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I'll repeat one of them: Your claimed universal invariant, that Achilles position is always behind the tortoise's position, is bogus.
Where is your detailed evidence that it is bogus?

Whithout a detailed evidence that is accurately related to Case B of http://www.scribd.com/doc/17504323/WZATRP8 your criticism does not hold water.
 
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People, this thread is officially dead. Just stop posting and Doron will have no choice but to let it die.

Let me tell you a secret Pure_Argent,

This thread is a Dead Zone for posters like jsfisher, The Man, ddt, zooterkin and you, right from post #1.

Nevertheless, I have found more and more treasures because of your presence in that zone, independently of your inabilities to value these treasures.

Apathia is the only poster that sees the shadows of these treasures.
 
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Where is your detailed evidence that it is bogus?

Whithout a detailed evidence that is accurately related to Case B of http://www.scribd.com/doc/17504323/WZATRP8 your criticism does not hold water.


I find it curious how high you set the bar for everyone else. Nonetheless, there was substantial information about what made your claim bogus in my post. You chose to ignore that part.
 
I find it curious how high you set the bar for everyone else. Nonetheless, there was substantial information about what made your claim bogus in my post. You chose to ignore that part.

I am still curious about the substantial information about what made my claim bogus.

Where it is ??? At least show it to the other posters here (forget about me).

It is very important since you are talking here as a reliable speaker of your community (this is not your privet viewpoint).


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If this time you still can't do that (in details and right to the point) we can clearly say that you have honestly earned your "Black Knight" title ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw&feature=related ).
 
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I am still curious about the substantial information about what made my claim bogus.

That would have been the reference to Moshe and his bogus claims regarding his @-operator.

Remember? He made broad statements about his discovery without considering the domain over which his discovery was valid. It was another example in a series of sloppy thinking. He asserted something and then with minimal evidence of its validity blithely assumed it was universally true.

It is something you and Moshe have in common. You both assert then assume "truths" without proof.

You made a claim about Achilles' position preceding that of the tortoise being a universal invariant. Perhaps you should consider over just what time domain this universal truth be valid.
 
That would have been the reference to Moshe and his bogus claims regarding his @-operator.

Remember? He made broad statements about his discovery without considering the domain over which his discovery was valid. It was another example in a series of sloppy thinking. He asserted something and then with minimal evidence of its validity blithely assumed it was universally true.

It is something you and Moshe have in common. You both assert then assume "truths" without proof.

You made a claim about Achilles' position preceding that of the tortoise being a universal invariant. Perhaps you should consider over just what time domain this universal truth be valid.

Not evan a single word that is related (in details) to the content of http://www.scribd.com/doc/17504323/WZATRP8 .

You have honestly earned your "Black Knight" title ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj...eature=related ).
 
Not evan a single word that is related (in details) to the content of http://www.scribd.com/doc/17504323/WZATRP8 .


So, this doesn't appear in your document:

Document some evil person is trying to pass off as doron's said:
The Race continues forever because any given next position of Achilles and the Tortoise is the result of previous positions + Distances values, where each Distance value > 0, no matter how many loops (finite or infinitely many) are used (Achilles position < Tortoise position is an invariant state).
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Have you reported to the Scribd folks that someone has hacked into your account and replaced your document?
 
So, this doesn't appear in your document:


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Have you reported to the Scribd folks that someone has hacked into your account and replaced your document?

No, Black Knight, after this part the real party beings but since your hands and legs are off you can't follow the dance.
 
Posters, this time please do not ignore this:
In order to start to get OM, I suggest to you to watch BBC-Dangerous Knowledge:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6EE4707D6ADE3857&search_query=BBC-Dangerous+Knowledge

One of the reasons that Cantor or Gödel became mentally ill, is that they did not have Direct Perception of the real nature of the non-finite, exactly because they tried to get it on the level of thoughts that are expressed as verbal symbolic infinitely many localities that cannot be Non-locality.

Non-locality is exactly not infinitely many localities, and this beautiful Direct Perception fact really lets the Mathematical science the ability to be used as the most accurate language among any possible (abstract or not) phenomena.
if you wish to start to understand OM.
 
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