Deeper than primes - Continuation

[realpaladin]

To those who actually do, at least, the first step.

By your own definition, you can not make a first step because you need to 'get it'. And if you do not 'get it' you can not 'use it' to make the first step.

 

[realpaladin]

Every journey starts by the first step, which you refuse to take, so?

There is no way to take a 'first step' because, by your definition one needs to 'get it' before one can 'understand it'.

But to 'get it' one needs to 'take a first step'.

But to 'take a first step' one needs to 'get it'.

 

[doronshadmi]

By your own definition, you can not make a first step because you need to 'get it'. And if you do not 'get it' you can not 'use it' to make the first step.

Wrong, development involves actual mind practice, which in turn resulted by developed use, which is feed backed as a better actual mind practice, etc.

Since you refuse to do the first step, the result is non-development, or in other words, you are stuck by your own will, so?

 

[doronshadmi]

There is no way to take a 'first step' because, by your definition one needs to 'get it' before one can 'understand it'.

But to 'get it' one needs to 'take a first step'.

But to 'take a first step' one needs to 'get it'.

This is the understanding of persons that "do" their "best" in order to avoid development, so?

 

[realpaladin]

Wrong, development involves actual mind practice, which in turn resulted by developed use, which is feed backed as a better actual mind practice, etc.

Since you refuse to do the first step, the result is non-development, or in other words, you are stuck by your own will, so?

Nobody cares if you label it wrong.

I have asked simply what anyone who does not get it will notice about anyone who does 'get it'.

And you have not answered that, but tried, as with the answer above, to steer away from answering.

You always try to hook people into kibitzing, but fail to answer a simple question.

So we try again:

What does anyone notice about someone who does 'get it'?

Every other evasion or crabby answer has absolutely no use at all.

 

[realpaladin]

This is the understanding of persons that avoid development, so?

Nobody cares about your opinion.

What does someone who does not get it see, hear, experience, smell or otherwise notice about someone who does get it?

 

[doronshadmi]

Nobody cares about your opinion.

What does someone who does not get it see, hear, experience, smell or otherwise notice about someone who does get it?

In order to get what is beyond the shadows on some wall of a given cave, one has to get out of the cave in order to see things (including other people) under the sunlight.

 

[realpaladin]

In order to get what is beyond the shadows on some wall of a given cave, one has to get out of the cave in order to see things (including other people) under the sunlight.

So to see what someone who 'gets it' can do you need to 'get it'.

Or rather, this is a convoluted way of saying 'nothing'.

Btw... that cave of Plato is a good description as any of an LSD trip.

And it is almost the same answer as a Scientologist might give answering 'What can Scientology do...'

So...

What can people who do not get it notice, experience, see, hear, smell or whatever in regards to someone who does get it?

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Hey doron. Have you completed my experiment? If not, perhaps it is to basic for you to complete.

Cardinality does not care about what comes before it and what comes after it, it only cares about what it "counts". Why should you care?

Here's the big questions:

Why should we care about OM? It has nothing that would replace current mathematics.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

This is the concept of Cardinality under the limitations of Traditional Mathematics, so?

Organic Mathematics concept of Cardinality is novel.

Why?

Please follow after improvements from now on.

What improvements?

 

[doronshadmi]

So to see what someone who 'gets it' can do you need to 'get it'.

Or rather, this is a convoluted way of saying 'nothing'.

Btw... that cave of Plato is a good description as any of an LSD trip.

And it is almost the same answer as a Scientologist might give answering 'What can Scientology do...'

So...

What can people who do not get it notice, experience, see, hear, smell or whatever in regards to someone who does get it?

Stay in your cave, realpaladin, and enjoy your ignorance.

 

[doronshadmi]

Why should we care about OM? It has nothing that would replace current mathematics.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8091103&postcount=653 .

 

[doronshadmi]

Why?



What improvements?

You simply ignored what is written in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8082203&postcount=604 .

Please try again, the answers are there.

 

[realpaladin]

Stay in your cave, realpaladin, and enjoy your ignorance.

Having trouble answering?

What do other people who do not get it, are ignorant or otherwise disqualified by Doron, notice, experience, see, hear, smell, whatever when they observe people that do get it, or are qualified or in the know?

Refusing (nay, unable) to give a straight answer?

 

[realpaladin]

Why?

What improvements?

He can't. Now he will focus on you so the inability to answer a straight simple question will get buried in his evasive and compulsive posting.

 

[doronshadmi]

Having trouble answering?

No.

You have troubles the get out of your cave, in order to get the answer.

Can you get out of your cave?

 

[doronshadmi]

He can't.

Do you afraid to be alone in the cave state?

 

[doronshadmi]

keyfeatures and punshhh,


Fortunately you do not afraid to get out of the "cave" in order to get things "under the sunlight".

What about you PiedPiper ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8088798&postcount=634 )?

 

[realpaladin]

Doron, it does not matter what you say about me.

The *fact* is that you have *not* answered simple questions.

That either means you can not answer them, or it means the answers are not to your liking.

But the question will not go away.

What do people, in caves or otherwise unqualified or not getting it, experience, see, notice about people practicing OM? What do they see or experience that OM people can do?

 

[keyfeatures]

I'm not sure how questioning the limits of integer biased mathematical language (etc) equates with claiming that million dollar Randi pot. Can someone explain? Isn't that for psychic / paranormal proofs etc?

As for describing maths as a language, if you googleplex some familiar search terms such as 'is mathematics a language' you will find lots of citations. I'm not allowed to post links yet. If maths were not a language we would not be able to communicate concepts with it. There are plenty of examples where new mathematical concepts have required new vocabulary.

However, I'd be interested to know how it could be proved when/if OM had escaped subjectivity. It is impossible to prove that a model is complete and therefore no longer 'subjective'. Rather, you would have an alternative model that described things in a way that the previous one was unable to. That is the best that could be hoped for.

No matter what mathematical model is used, it won't alter the neuroscientific basis of cognition. I'm not convinced about the 'calm' state part of the claim. For one, is a 'calm' state necessarily better.