Debunking The Debunkers: The Gullible, The Skeptical, The Cynical

[Frying Dutchmen]

You have a Good Point.

But many Skeptics on here- are a deferred Kind of skeptic breed, Infact many are prone to call you names, and destroy you and make you very sad. They wish to stomp on a person till they are silenced.

They Think of James Randi and how belligerent he is, that is why they like him so much because James Randi uses the power of Talk to prove his skepticism, very propaganda. He uses this 1million Dollar reward to prove James Randi different.

There is nothing Friendly about what James Randi is doing- hes only arranging a mass occult for himself of Skeptic beleivers- who most of them are immature of real Critical Thought.

Here in this site, this is where Beleivers and Non-Believers present themselves.

I am, a Believer while the rest are James Randi and his puppet strings of non-beleivers.

I was skeptical that your would leave when you said your were going to leave. Looks like I was right.

 

[Soapy Sam]

I have viewed several of Bashar's videos.
They seem to feature "wisdom" of an order most people aged over twenty would find unexceptional. The opinions expressed are never backed by logic or evidence.
There is a dearth of factual data.
I see no purpose in listening to any more of these trite ramblings.
If the OP poster produces any actual information, I trust someone will advise me.

 

[Ladewig]

the thought system (that I could change at any second, because I am always open to a better idea, or trying a new way if it is serving somebody who I am modelling because of their success in an are that I wish to be successful at) to let me know if I am getting warmer or getting colder in relation to the things I want.

I can easily see the advantages of this approach. I admire you if you are disciplined enough to master it.

If that sounds arrogant or the like, it's the confidence that comes with consistent connection and first hand mystical experiences that have guided me on a dream like life, literally living the dream as my highest passion in music, with no end in sight,

Why do you have to model successful people if your mystical experiences guide your life?

 

[Ladewig]

You have a Good Point.

But many Skeptics on here- are a deferred Kind of skeptic breed, Infact many are prone to call you names, and destroy you and make you very sad. They wish to stomp on a person till they are silenced.

There may be some truth in that accusation. But there are also skeptics here who are willing to consider all valid evidence. Unfortunately, none of the evidence you have presented rises to the level of valid.

Lastly, if you are unsatisfied with your reception here, then leave. We do not go to Nostradamus boards to criticize Nostradamus believers. You came here. You presented your stories and we pointed out the flaws in your logic. If you do not like people pointing out the errors in your reasoning, then stop posting here.

 

[Mojo]

so because he gives credit to something else you have no experience of, you automatically debunk him?

No, he got debunked because he claimed that a letter written by Nostradamus predicted an event that it clearly had no relevance to. Apart from the age of the person concerned nothing in the relevant passage from Nostradamus fits the facts.

He has since claimed that a prediction that a stadium would collapse at a particular time was a successful prediction of an earthquake that took place a thousand miles away, three months earlier.

He has so far failed to provide any evidence that any of his predictions were made before the events they allegedly predicted.

 

[catsmate]

I doubt I will come back to defend this because it speaks for itself.

If that sounds arrogant or the like, it's the confidence that comes with consistent connection and first hand mystical experiences that have guided me on a dream like life, literally living the dream as my highest passion in music, with no end in sight, and the thought system (that I could change at any second, because I am always open to a better idea, or trying a new way if it is serving somebody who I am modelling because of their success in an are that I wish to be successful at) to let me know if I am getting warmer or getting colder in relation to the things I want.

I am of that ilk, so, please "forgive me".

"Skepticism by definition is an open minded state of a willingness to explore something, a willingness to look at what you call evidence, a willingness to understand your relationship to it --- your personal relationship to it --- and a willingness to allow --- for a new belief to come in to challenge the old belief you may have been holding on to. Not the idea that you must change your belief, but a willingness to allow for the possibility that your beliefs --- be they long held or cherished --- may never the less require some change."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukq_chP7u0M

 

[Nonpareil]

so because he gives credit to something else you have no experience of, you automatically debunk him?

Nope. Like I - and many others - have said already, you're making erroneous assumptions about our methods.

this isn't a forum about his claims of origin for his words, it's about the words he is saying

Who tried to act otherwise?

and of course, you have no argument, just a bunch of autodebunking with no due process whatsoever, just bias mixed with a made up mind

You may want to read the thread before you start making claims like this. As it is, you have just shown that you aren't actually bothering to do the research here. You've come in with a bunch of prejudices that you are convinced are correct, and you're not going to let anything influence you, even though you are wrong.

Not exactly a great way to encourage discussion.

 

[catsmate]

so because he gives credit to something else you have no experience of, you automatically debunk him?

No we debunk him because he's wrong.

this isn't a forum about his claims of origin for his words, it's about the words he is saying

Well Rwalsh is claiming that Michel de Nostradamus could fortell the future, therefore the origin of the words he's using is rather important.

and of course, you have no argument, just a bunch of autodebunking with no due process whatsoever, just bias mixed with a made up mind

No we have facts, historical records, the utter failure of interpreters of Nostradamus to actually show a before-the-event prophecy that comes true and other aspects of reality.

the death rattle to an amazing life

What? To whom are you referring? Nostradamus? Rwalsh? Or the faker making money off pretending to "channel" an alien?

i feel so sorry for skeptics, it's like a poison to passion

Yours must be a truly empty life if nonsense like this is all you have to be passionate about. I feel sorry for you.

 

[catsmate]

Oh, my gars and starters...

Just look at his price list........

 

[Dave Rogers]

"Skepticism by definition is an open minded state of a willingness to explore something, a willingness to look at what you call evidence, a willingness to understand your relationship to it --- your personal relationship to it --- and a willingness to allow --- for a new belief to come in to challenge the old belief you may have been holding on to. Not the idea that you must change your belief, but a willingness to allow for the possibility that your beliefs --- be they long held or cherished --- may never the less require some change."

Fine. When I see evidence, I'll be more than willing to understand my relationship to it, and allow for a new belief to come in to challenge the old belief I may have been holding on to. The problem is people who do say that I must change my belief, and don't provide any evidence; how am I supposed to understand my relationship to something that doesn't exist?

Dave

 

[Rincewind]

Arrogance is earnable? Ooh, I'm all over that. One question, though. How will I know if/when I've jumped the gun a smidge?

Linda

I used to be arrogant.

But I'm perfect now.



well - somebody had to say it!

 

[Aepervius]

so because he gives credit to something else you have no experience of, you automatically debunk him?

this isn't a forum about his claims of origin for his words, it's about the words he is saying

plain and simple

and of course, you have no argument, just a bunch of autodebunking with no due process whatsoever, just bias mixed with a made up mind

the death rattle to an amazing life

i feel so sorry for skeptics, it's like a poison to passion

This is where you completely fail , an utter fail. or maybe an auto-fail.

1) we have experience direct or indirect (reading studies) on such a things
2) we don't auto debunk. We only respond automatically when a debunk is already present for something and NO NEW evidence is provided after the initial debunk. That is not cynicism, that is not auto debunk, it is rationality. Until the proponent (YOU) provide evidence , there is really no reason to change ourselves. ETA: what it really shows is that people come here , spout their belief, and whine when they feel slighted. Sorry mate, if you want to present yourself as a font of wisdom on a SKEPTICAL web site, then better study your own turf and make sure what you are about to present has evidence and has not been previously demolished.

 

[Aitch]

I used to be arrogant.

But I'm perfect now.

I'd be perfect, but I'm just too damn modest.

 

[Weak Kitten]

I used to be arrogant.

But I'm perfect now.



well - somebody had to say it!

I'm happily imperfect!

Who the heck would want to be perfect? There's nothing new to do after that!

 

[sinclairmcevoy]

Just look at his price list........

Mmmm hmmmm.