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Debunking Noah's Flood

Peter Weinhoff is a Ph.D. of Phylogeny and has faith in the Biblical flood, debunk THAT, evilutionist!

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What's there to debunk?
It's certainly true that a number of educated, degreed people hold silly notions. Who doubts that?

Doesn't make those notions correct.
 
You'll all be proved wrong soon

According to the BBC a US/Turkish expedition is heading off to Turkey to climb Mount Arrarat and investigate an Ark-sized something that has been spotted by satelites.

Incontrovertable evidence of the Truth of the Bible will be revealed to mankind in July. Then you'll all be eating your words. Oh yes. Hahahahahahahahaha.

(wonder how well it will be reported if it turns out to be just another lump of rock, or they find nothing at all).
 
Thousands and thousands of different species of animals, or just 12?

As far as people knew a few thousand years ago there weren't that many animals. Goats, sheep, snake, rat, turtle, vulture, dog. They could all fit in an RV.

And has anyone posited that the flood was localized? God created a huge mass of water, maybe a few hundred thousand cubits wide, with the ark floating safely on the top, that travelled the country-side, drowning the sinners but giving animals (except stupid slow-moving dinosaurs) enough time to get out of the way?
 
Originally posted by Theodore Kurita
Then again...

There is evidence that there was a massive flood in the middle east at about 6000 BCE in the Black Sea.

More and more people are believing that this flood in of itself is where the Noah myth developed in the first place.

Remember, the Sumarians were the first to put it down, the Jews just copied it and put it in the Torah.

Here is a link for more info:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html
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I think that one, though an interesting candidate for the origin of the biblical flood, is no longer considered to be so. There is a better match. A river flood in what is currently Iraq, with floodwaters, probably from Mt Ararat, flooding the river's flood plain unexpectedly during a freak rain storm. (unexpected for that time of year).
Poor Noah and his family were carried off into the Gulf without any means to steer or move, and most likely ended up somewhere on the coast of Saudi Arabia or some other place along the coastline of the Gulf.

I bet from their point of view, they really didn't see any land for a while, although probably no longer than a couple of weeks.
 
Re: You'll all be proved wrong soon

iain said:
According to the BBC a US/Turkish expedition is heading off to Turkey to climb Mount Arrarat and investigate an Ark-sized something that has been spotted by satelites.
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Can we spell Cydonia?
 
My favorite debating point:

Who on Noah's ark had AIDS?

Many diseases require a living host to survive. If you believe the biblical account (and you discount evolution), then somone on the ark must have carried things like HIV, Ebola, Herpes, etc.

There must have been some very sick people on that ark.
 
Segnosaur said:
My favorite debating point:

Who on Noah's ark had AIDS?

Many diseases require a living host to survive. If you believe the biblical account (and you discount evolution), then somone on the ark must have carried things like HIV, Ebola, Herpes, etc.

There must have been some very sick people on that ark.
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Isn't AIDS a thought to be new to humans? Started in the 40's or 50's? the others look right though. Oh and the animals would have to be the host to the parasites and diseases unique to them.
 
bewareofdogmas said:



Isn't AIDS a thought to be new to humans? Started in the 40's or 50's? the others look right though. Oh and the animals would have to be the host to the parasites and diseases unique to them.
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Yes, I have heard that the disease may have originated in other members of the Ape family. (From what I understand, the HIV virus is similar to one that affects Simians.) Of course that doesn't really change the overall idea behind my argument; it just means that there would have to be some monkey who had the virus rather than some human.

(I picked AIDS because, well, its a very well know virus, doesn't survive outside the body, is lethal and has a little bit of shock value. Probably wouldn't have had the same effect if I said "Who on Noah's ark had the flu?")
 
About the morality of the flood. God found that the only rightful person on Earth was Noah. This model of righteousness gets drunk, dances naked in the fields and curses his son for seeing his nakedness.
If this is a virtuous person, how wicked was the rest of the Earth's population?
 
SGT said:
About the morality of the flood. God found that the only rightful person on Earth was Noah. This model of righteousness gets drunk, dances naked in the fields and curses his son for seeing his nakedness.
If this is a virtuous person, how wicked was the rest of the Earth's population?
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At least we can assume they were having even more fun than Noah..
 
As far as people knew a few thousand years ago...
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No, no no, you're not playing fair! If you excuse those people for not knowing then what we know now, then you'll decide that almost everything in the Bible is based on ignorance and isn't true. No, the way we play is to assume that everything in the Bible is true because it was written by God and his divinely-inspired co-authors, and what we think we know now is just an illusion.
 
exarch said:
I think that one, though an interesting candidate for the origin of the biblical flood, is no longer considered to be so. There is a better match. A river flood in what is currently Iraq, with floodwaters, probably from Mt Ararat, flooding the river's flood plain unexpectedly during a freak rain storm. (unexpected for that time of year).
Poor Noah and his family were carried off into the Gulf without any means to steer or move, and most likely ended up somewhere on the coast of Saudi Arabia or some other place along the coastline of the Gulf.

I bet from their point of view, they really didn't see any land for a while, although probably no longer than a couple of weeks.
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Hmm, do you really consider the myth of Noah to be true? There is nothing that says that there has ever been any Noah people. It's probably like it almost always is, a myth, maybe a myth supposed to teach people something or to scare them. Floods happens all the time and any one of them might be the origin of the myth.
 
Originally posted by Anders
Hmm, do you really consider the myth of Noah to be true? There is nothing that says that there has ever been any Noah people. It's probably like it almost always is, a myth, maybe a myth supposed to teach people something or to scare them. Floods happens all the time and any one of them might be the origin of the myth.
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I think it *IS* based on a true story, although heavily exagerrated, as most of the stuff in the bible is.

Or maybe the bible is just a collection of ancient urban legends?
 
exarch said:
I think it *IS* based on a true story, although heavily exagerrated, as most of the stuff in the bible is.

Or maybe the bible is just a collection of ancient urban legends?
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Well, the bible is based on Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian legends and myths, which doesn't necessary has to be true. For example, the legend about Jesus and Mary can very well be based on the legend about the Egyptian god Horus and his mother Isis, but as it is a myth about a god it has nothing to do with reality.
 
Segnosaur said:
My favorite debating point:

Who on Noah's ark had AIDS?

Many diseases require a living host to survive. If you believe the biblical account (and you discount evolution), then somone on the ark must have carried things like HIV, Ebola, Herpes, etc.

There must have been some very sick people on that ark.
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Even if you assume HIV was merely a variation of SIV carried by one of the apes (subsequent variation of species being allowable by creationist science), they still need to explain how all the diseases with no animal host were carried by Noah et al. This will indeed include nasty STDs like syphilis, which has no animal reservoir/host. (and he would have harboured malaria, bilharzia and other parasites as well, so would have been too sick to slop out the ark)

Seems Noah didn't just dance naked in the fields, but got up to some naughty nookie without his good wife's knowlege (or vice versa).

(At least I am reassured I will be seen by God as a virtuous man when my time comes)
 
Patricio Elicer said:
How did Noah manage to save the kangaroos from the global flood?
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That one is easy! Clearly they went jumping from Australia to Asia using the intermediate islands and carrying in their bags the koalas, platypuses and other critters. The hard and pointy hairs of equidnas could have hurt a little, but God obviously hardened the kangaroos' skins as he made later with the heart of the Pharaoh.
For you unbelievers that doubt that a kangaroo could make jumps of hundreds of kilometers, remember that people in those times lived hundreds of years. Surely kangaroos could jump higher and farther.
 
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